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I would like some input on the best way to stretch cloch. I have tried several ways and found out that on Championship the side to side first works best for the wrinkles, but i do not think that it is the best way for getting it the tightest.I also have used the way that Simonis says to stretch there cloth and it seems that i have had wrinkles by the side pockets and i have had to go back and restretch the cloth on the sides.
Thanx, Ron
 
Proper method for stretching cloth...

For what it's worth, if you go to Championship Billiards web-site...www.champbilliards.com, there is a very detailed process that you can find on the bottom right of their Home Page entitled..."The Championship Fabric Installation Guide"...!!!
As you probably know, this is the web-site of D&R Industries, Inc., the dealers for Championship Tour Edition cloth and other fabrics, as well...hope this site helps you with your questions.
 
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I have used that method. What i am trying to find out is what other people have had sucess with. Basically how much stretch did they get out of the cloth and how did it hold up.
Thanx, Ron
 
I Don't Know

Our friend Blud who use to do set-ups for the pro tour told me to snap several lines length wise and from short rail to short rail on the cloth. When you streach the cloth, keep the lines straight. How tight, I do not know. He then vacumed the lines up.
Purdman
 
LCCS said:
I have used that method. What i am trying to find out is what other people have had sucess with. Basically how much stretch did they get out of the cloth and how did it hold up.
Thanx, Ron
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I'd put my method of stretching and installing bed cloth up against anyone else's in the world, which is why I'm putting it on DVD so that anyone interested will be able to learn what I already know...step by step by step. Stretch is open to interpretation, depending on who's doing the stretching, what size of table, and the type of cloth being used. I put it into measurable numbers that can be repeated exactly the same by anyone. Ask any technician how much they stretch the cloth they install and not meaning to hit on anyone, but there is no straight answer on stretch.

This is what I mean. On a 9ft slate I stretch Simonis 860 3", 760 3.5", Granito Basalt 3.5", Championship Tour Edition 30/30 4", Mercury Ultra 5"...the list goes on and on.

Once more and more technicians learn my method of installing cloth, they'll be able to talk numbers when installing cloth then the conversation will be more like...Hey Joe, have you installed any of that new cloth from Simonis yet?...Yeah Sam, I've put it on 3 bar tables so far. Great, I'm getting ready to put some on some bar tables here...how much was the stretch?...Oh, okay...I installed it on the first table with a 2" stretch, but man that cloth is tight, so on the last 2 tables I backed it off to 1.75" then it was great. Thanks Joe, now I don't have to guess on the first table I recover as to what the stretch is.

Glen
 
Try re-streching from both the head and the foot ends of the table after you finish the middle pockets but before you finish the corners, you can sometimes pull the wrinkles out this way that tend to appear near the middle pockets.
 
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If Simonis or any worsted wool for that matter I stretch more laterally then I do straight across. I stretch pocket to pocket laterally just as tight as I would pull across the table to keep all of the pattern tight. Its a feel thing for me and it isn't measured, I can see the pattern myself but its impossible for me to teach anyone I train. They learn the method but don't have the feel. Glenn is on to something I can't wait for his DVDs... This is a great way for mechanics and customers to communicate.
 
Both of these methods are way off compared to what I do and they don't address the issues of backer boards stapled out or missing nor slate with no backer boards at all. Diamond has a DVD recorded by Accustat at the 2001 DCC when I demonstrated installing the cloth on a one piece 9ft slate in....8 minutes 15 seconds!

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Both of these methods are way off compared to what I do
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Just providing the links per Jagrs post. It's interesting that both companies use the same diagrams.
We don't use the Champ or Simonis method.
 
I'm waiting to see when the debate between folded or stretched coin-op side rails will be. Or has it?
 
realkingcobra said:
valley rails.
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There's no debate or discussion at that thread - rather, a statement as to how you do it. If you prefer a fold then that's your perogative. Surely others prefer the fold as do many that prefer the stretch. To each his own as either way is not wrong. :D
 
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When i was first starting out about seven years ago.I folded the cloth on the side of bar tables. I had several people say that they prefured no folds on the sides. But you must remember that these were bars, not pool halls. Most of the tables are owned by a vending company and they do not fold there cloth. So when i folded it everybody thought i did not know what i was doing and i lost some buisness over it. I ask people know what they prefure and that is the way i do it. After all there paying me to do it.
Thanx, Ron
 
LCCS said:
When i was first starting out about seven years ago.I folded the cloth on the side of bar tables. I had several people say that they prefured no folds on the sides. But you must remember that these were bars, not pool halls. Most of the tables are owned by a vending company and they do not fold there cloth. So when i folded it everybody thought i did not know what i was doing and i lost some buisness over it. I ask people know what they prefure and that is the way i do it. After all there paying me to do it.
Thanx, Ron
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Good post.
If the establishment and the players are happy then most probably you will get the call the next time tables need recovering. Giving a choice of fold/no fold says a lot about you and your customer service. :cool:
 
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