CNC troubles

dunkelcustomcue

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I have a Align Rite Gantry cue building CNC. My Z axis has been acting up. For some reason when you toggle + or - it will only go +. Same thing happens when you run a program. Every once in a while I can get it to work right by powering down. Tried switching motors and had the same problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the signal generator. Problem is I can't find it, Vexta RKD514L-A. I guess because it's an older model. Already sent an email to Vexta. Some day I'll get back to cue making!
 
Steve, sounds like it may be a noise issue...i have no idea how to fix it! Should be easy for someone like Jim or Royce as soon as they see your post. good luck with it
 
PLCCenter.com lists it as obsolete but has NOS in stock. Google your make and model number... it goes right there.

Robin
 
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When you say you switched motors, did you physically switch motors or did you
switch the z axis cables to another axis. What's inside the controller box.
Is there a single driver board or are their indivdual drivers. Hopefully that is the case. First look to me is a driver problem, not a motor problem. Be carefull poking around in there. Even the small systems have some nasty electrons looking for someone to bite.
 
It has individual Vexta drivers. I took the motor off the A axis and plugged it into the Z axis and it did the same thing. Went on Ebay and found a brand new driver, hopefully that's the problem.
 
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Be careful when you un hook the power supply from the driver.
The power supply probably has a capacitor that will give you a nice surprise, even if the box is unplugged. You probably already knew that,
but better safe than shorted.
 
It has individual Vexta drivers. I took the motor off the A axis and plugged it into the Z axis and it did the same thing. Went on Ebay and found a brand new driver, hopefully that's the problem.

That only tested your motor, right? It didn't check the cables or if there was noise, bad ground, short, bleeding, etc...

You may want to try removing the cable from your X or Y and hooking it up to the Z axis motor. Then just jog the the X or Y and see if you still have the problem. If the problem goes away then try new cables and/or sheilding what you have. Might want to give this a shot before going through the trouble of replacing that board.
 
Thanks Bruppert I'll give that a shot also. I've had it set up the same way for about 8 years with no problems, so that's why I'm thinking the driver is the problem.
 
First things first. Does the dro for the z axis go positive and negative when you jog Z? This would be an indication that Mach 3 is working correctly. If it is then next I would question the motor, motor wires, and the amp. Simply wire up the x or y motor wires to the z axis motor. Don't change anything else. Jog the axis in Mach that is related to that motor wire. It wool still be wired to the other amp. An open
Motor wire can cause the motor to only move in one direction. There are others like motor step and direction pins in config of Mach. I would hope none of those where changed during trouble shoot.

Jim
 
Jim, I'm running Flashcut. When I jog the Z axis the program is still showing the it is jogging (-), but it is going (+) not matter what direction I jog it in. Looked at the wiring going into the box and it is directly wired to the driver. This leads me to the next question. Should I upgrade my Flashcut box or go Mach 3?
 
Be careful when you un hook the power supply from the driver.
The power supply probably has a capacitor that will give you a nice surprise, even if the box is unplugged. You probably already knew that,
but better safe than shorted.[/QUOT

That's definitely good info to keep in mind, because even a smaller capacitor may be capable of shorting something out. Some larger capacitors can be even worse, and short you out.


I don't know how much truth there is to It, but Some people say You discharge some capacitors by unplugging a unit, then turning on the power switch (if applicable) to drain what's left. Supposed to turn the power back off before plugging back in.

I wish I would have retained the knowledge better then I have, but a friend once told me of way to discharge capacitors using a high wattage resistor I think It was. He worked with larger capacitors that could give you quite a shock, so It was imperative from a safety standpoint to make sure there was no juice left.

Steve, now days, there's a lot of info out there available through a quick search, and I'm sure there's some good info on the best way to discharge them. May want to see what You can find that is more directly related to Your setup just to be on the safe side. I've worked on several types of electronics without doing It, and was fine, but I knew I was taking a chance, and what I was working was not as expensive as a controller or drivers for a cnc. Some PC boards are so sensitive that even static electricity can do damage, so who's to say what a charged capacitor can do.

Wish I could help with the driver Issue Your having, but that's still over My head, and best I could do is take guesses at it, which is of no real use anyhow. Hope the new driver solves your problem though.
 
Most of the systems that we use work with step and direction signals. If it is a stepper system then how many wires go to each motor? The newer motors have 4 wires with two to each coil. You can check continuity through the coils. This would show an open if it where a connection issue.

Jim
 
Steve

Jim is right that if you loose any of the 4 signal wires between the drive and motor, the motor will go in one direction only.

Swapping the motor and cables at the control box should be the first step, but you could still have a connection problem inside the control box between the outside motor connector and the drive itself.

I would swap another cable, at the control box, with this one.

If the problem is in the motor cable, and or motor, then the problem will stay with that motor.

If the problem is inside the control box, then the problem will stay with that drive in the control box.

You could then check the connections inside if the problem stays with the drive.

Let us know how it comes out!
 
Thanks Royce! I've been thinking about it some more and the only motor that has a wire connected to the stepper that always moves is the Z axis. Could it be that over 8 years one of the internal wires broke? I have to go to my day job, but I'll run a resistance check on the wires when I get home.
 
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Steve I have an 'as supplied' signal generator. I bought my Align-rite gantry machine new in 2002. I upgraded to Flashcut's Pro system last year, this upgrade done away with the small Flashcut box and the big signal generator box. I also have the cables and motors, all was working when I changed it out last year. I was having issues with 'Y' movements and after much testing determined that my problem had to be controls. Guess what, after I installed $2700 worth of Flashcut's upgrade I still had the problem, turns out it was mechanical after all. I liked the new flashcut features so much I decided to keep it. I did have to send back the little Flashcut box to get my $650 rebate on the Pro system. I will take $100 plus shipping for the motors, cables and signal generator. My cell is 479-970-0056. Mark Smith
 
Well I may not have figured out my problem, but it has fixed it. Took all of my vast CNC knowledge and a screwdriver. I moved my Flashcut box and noticed that the power adapter into the back was loose. A little tweaking to the plug and the problem with the Z axis went away. Could a fluctuation in my power be enough to screw up the Z axis?
 
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