Coaching in a tournament?

[RDaniel13]

A buddy and I were playing in a smaller local tournament (Valley rules). We talk about the game during and after the game sometimes. He was playing a somewhat weaker player in the tourn (whose brother and himself are known to exploit league rules for thier benefit) and he ended up running down to his last object ball and missed. In a couple shots, the other guy plays a few safes (some accidental) and runs his balls off the table.

End situation: My buddy has his Object Ball and the 8 on the foot rail, no easy bank. He decides to tie up the 8 and his OB. Now they both go back and forth fouling, not wanting to disturb the balls.

Since neither wanted to go for the out, they decide to call stalemate. I then go up to my buddy and say, "why didn't you take ball in hand and bump your ball to the middle of the table and lock the CB on the 8? The weaker player FLIPS OUT and accuses me of coaching in a tournament. We argue back and forth about the issue. I told him the only time i talked to him about what he should have done was after they decided to declare the game a stalemate. He then tells me that he saw me talking to my buddy about the game earlier in the tournament.

The guy running the tourney then makes them take 3 attempts back and forth to fulfill the stalemate rule (gigantic waste of time, as they already called a stalemate). After this, they rerack and the other guy just keeps complaining about me coaching and tells me to shut up during their game.

My understanding of the coaching rule is that first off, it only applies to team play. Secondly, it only applies to your player if it is their turn to shoot at the table. (Meaning the opponent misses or makes nothing on the break, and it is the other players inning at the table), so therefore i can talk to my player about anything while the opponent is shooting.

I did apologize to the guy after the issue, (twice) and he just acted all shitty toward me.

Any input is appreciated. :grin:

 

[Wink]

Not familiar with Valley rules, but after the game is after the game IMHO.

Now, the important part... please post a link or high res version of your avatar!

 

[RDaniel13]

Can't find a higher res copy of the pic. If you find one, let me know. Here is the link i got it from. Would love to see her on some televised ESPN tourneys. :grin:
http://www.questmedia.net/images/JenBarrettaPool2.jpg

 

[greyghost]

IMOP i believe coaching SHOULD BE ALLOWED in tournaments

I believe it should be promoted..........

it would be more professional imop

to see say Earl playing onepocket in the finals at the derby with Artie sitting by his chair...........

i don't know every other dam sport has a coach that can tell his player WTF he wants to and the player can ask the coach WTF he wants to........

its like crying that YOU CAN"T USE A JUMP CUE BECUASE I DON"T HAVE A JUMP CUE lmfao

every player that wants a coach should have it banger or pro

that would just be one more good thing to have in the bag while fellating the IOCC to get the sport in the olympics lol

-Grey Ghost-

 

[The Schwartz]

A buddy and I were playing in a smaller local tournament (Valley rules). We talk about the game during and after the game sometimes. He was playing a somewhat weaker player in the tourn (whose brother and himself are known to exploit league rules for thier benefit) and he ended up running down to his last object ball and missed. In a couple shots, the other guy plays a few safes (some accidental) and runs his balls off the table.

End situation: My buddy has his Object Ball and the 8 on the foot rail, no easy bank. He decides to tie up the 8 and his OB. Now they both go back and forth fouling, not wanting to disturb the balls.

Since neither wanted to go for the out, they decide to call stalemate. I then go up to my buddy and say, "why didn't you take ball in hand and bump your ball to the middle of the table and lock the CB on the 8? The weaker player FLIPS OUT and accuses me of coaching in a tournament. We argue back and forth about the issue. I told him the only time i talked to him about what he should have done was after they decided to declare the game a stalemate. He then tells me that he saw me talking to my buddy about the game earlier in the tournament.

The guy running the tourney then makes them take 3 attempts back and forth to fulfill the stalemate rule (gigantic waste of time, as they already called a stalemate). After this, they rerack and the other guy just keeps complaining about me coaching and tells me to shut up during their game.

My understanding of the coaching rule is that first off, it only applies to team play. Secondly, it only applies to your player if it is their turn to shoot at the table. (Meaning the opponent misses or makes nothing on the break, and it is the other players inning at the table), so therefore i can talk to my player about anything while the opponent is shooting.

I did apologize to the guy after the issue, (twice) and he just acted all shitty toward me.

Any input is appreciated. :grin:

The way it's worded, sounds like you told him what you'd do AFTER he did it, which can't be coaching, because he's unable to step up and do what you told him do. Also, if you tell him something while it's not his turn at the table, it's all good (in my hood at least) :grin:

 

[RDaniel13]

The way it's worded, sounds like you told him what you'd do AFTER he did it, which can't be coaching, because he's unable to step up and do what you told him do. Also, if you tell him something while it's not his turn at the table, it's all good (in my hood at least) :grin:

Yes, that is what i think also. As long it is not his inning to shoot at the table i can tell him WTF ever i want to. I told him what i would have done after they (the players involved) declared the game a stalemate. But after i said that, the guy running the tourney (who barely knows his ass from a pool cue) tells them they both have to make 3 attempts each at a hit. So they just kept handing ball in hand back and forth. Retarded.

 

[RDaniel13]

IMOP i believe coaching SHOULD BE ALLOWED in tournaments

I believe it should be promoted..........

it would be more professional imop

to see say Earl playing onepocket in the finals at the derby with Artie sitting by his chair...........

i don't know every other dam sport has a coach that can tell his player WTF he wants to and the player can ask the coach WTF he wants to........

its like crying that YOU CAN"T USE A JUMP CUE BECUASE I DON"T HAVE A JUMP CUE lmfao

every player that wants a coach should have it banger or pro

that would just be one more good thing to have in the bag while fellating the IOCC to get the sport in the olympics lol

-Grey Ghost-

I totally agree. Case in point, i'm playing in another tournament against a weaker player who is trying to come out and improve her game. Myself and others have given her advice when asked for it, even in the middle of a game. While we were playing each other, I break and run 6 balls and get hooked on another ball from making my last OB. She runs 5 and is left almost on top of her ball downtable. She goes to shoot a almost impossible cut shot (from her table position) in the side. I stop her and tell her to play a safe instead ( i would have a long 1 or 2 rail kick to the head rail to make my ball and then have to get shape on the 8 ball on the middle of the foot rail). She elects to play the safe instead. I don't mind helping others and don't see what the big problem is. The only reason i think the guy complained is that I was one of the better players out there. :grin:

 

[greyghost]

I totally agree. Case in point, i'm playing in another tournament against a weaker player who is trying to come out and improve her game. Myself and others have given her advice when asked for it, even in the middle of a game. While we were playing each other, I break and run 6 balls and get hooked on another ball from making my last OB. She runs 5 and is left almost on top of her ball downtable. She goes to shoot a almost impossible cut shot (from her table position) in the side. I stop her and tell her to play a safe instead ( i would have a long 1 or 2 rail kick to the head rail to make my ball and then have to get shape on the 8 ball on the middle of the foot rail). She elects to play the safe instead. I don't mind helping others and don't see what the big problem is. The only reason i think the guy complained is that I was one of the better players out there. :grin:

haters will hate always because they have to find some excuse to stop those that are better than them.........sadly we are only better if we work hard, they don't and get mad at us.........acting like a $10 tourney is the end all be all of the known universe..........its pathetic and i despise the very existence of those that think like that..........we need to become better as a whole....let the imperials do for the rebels will win the battle on day.

-Grey Ghost-

 

[Snapshot9]

Coaching

Coaching should only be allowed in a 'learning' tournament for beginners, and not any other time.

You told your buddy what to do before the game was 'officially' over, and that's a no-no.

 

[RDaniel13]

Called the league operator today and asked what the ruling was in team play. She said i cannot talk to my players about the game while they are involved in a match, or it is coaching, a foul. She told me 2 years ago the exact opposite, i guess this is the most updated interpretation. But either way, this applies to team play, not a tournament. If that were the case, no one could talk to anyone or you could call a coaching foul!! And IMHO, only douches would try and call a coaching foul in a small tournament. :grin:

 

[skeptic]

IMHO, unless coaching is explicitly allowed, you should not talk about any of the games until that match is over. This includes things like "you're dropping your elbow" or "you look like you are rushing your shots" even in between games during a race to x. League play is much more casual.

 

[justadub]

You told your buddy what to do before the game was 'officially' over, and that's a no-no.

Didn't I understand the OP to say that the game was called a stalemate? Isn't it "over" at that point?

That would be the appropriate time to say anything, IMHO.

 

[sammi sam]

How about coaching after tournaments?
Valley rules, if it's based on General Pocket rules