Code Of Conduct

Tom In Cincy said:
Exactly my point... do you really think Pro Pool players don't have a Mom to tell them to "Dress the part you want to play"?

There are already rules in place for tournaments by promoters about 'dress code' and unsportsmenlike conduct.

You seem to think that a Code of Conduct is condescending and you seem to think that every professional pool player already knows how to enhance their chances of attracting sponsors, fans, improving their sport and of course making more money.

You are mistaken about its purpose as well as that "everyone already has a Mom to tell them how to dress the part" or how to lead a promising and improving life. That to me is condescending on your part.

The successful pool players are already applying most of the principles outlined. Maybe someone will read the principles and decide to make a better life for themselves.

A school of manners might be a good thing for everyone to go to including me, however I won't be starting one anytime soon but I will keep you informed should anything change.
JoeyA
 
I offer feedback and criticism and always feel free to express them.

Sensitive or not, I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion valid or not, to me that is part of being a responsible adult.

Rules and Codes are close, but how close? I abide by rules as much as anyone and usually there are consequences for not obeying the rules.

Who will decide the consequences for your COC violations?

JoeyA said:
Doug and I will read and consider all of your perspectives. We do not want to lengthen it very much but if you have some suggestions, please feel free to express them in this thread.

Thanks again for your time and consideration!

Sincerely,

Joey Aguzin & Doug Gordon
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Tom In Cincy said:
I offer feedback and criticism and always feel free to express them.

Sensitive or not, I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion valid or not, to me that is part of being a responsible adult.

Rules and Codes are close, but how close? I abide by rules as much as anyone and usually there are consequences for not obeying the rules.

Who will decide the consequences for your COC violations?

The only consequences for COC violations is a failure to aspire to a better way of life and failing to accept the opportunity to improve one's self.

They were written for the benefit of the professional pool players athough much of it applies to every man, woman and child.

If organizations choose to embrace, accept, change or expand on the guidelines it will become a valuable tool for the pool world. Sitting here on AZBilliards in the Sticky Note section of the Main Forum, it will be seen by few of the pool world.

Most ideals and principles aren't worth the time it took to create them unless they are put in practice. It is left up to the individual reading them to see the value in them. Some may read them and see the principles as being not worthy to practice. Others may read them and realize that these principles and guidelines will enhance their lives while others may choose to become more active in becoming masters of their own fate.

As always, "It is up to each man to work out his own salvation."

JoeyA (could stand a lot of improvement)
 
The Way of the Cue

Joey...

I think you are on to something with this Code of Conduct.
In fact, it was something I have been intending to develop, sooner or later,
but you have beat me to it.

My concept was to develop a "Way of the Cue",
somewhat similar to the Samurai "Way of the Sword"
a collection of principles for success in life,
and in life-and-death situations,
which are zero-sum contests as are pool competitions.

Check out these books which could help formulate your Code of Conduct
according to these age-old principles:

Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai
and
Ideals of the Samurai: Writings of Japanese Warriors
and
The 21 precepts of Miyamoto Musashi

If you have the chance to read these,
I would like to collaborate with you in the further
development of your Code of Conduct.

Namaste'

FastMikie
 
FastMikie said:
Joey...

I think you are on to something with this Code of Conduct.
In fact, it was something I have been intending to develop, sooner or later,
but you have beat me to it.

My concept was to develop a "Way of the Cue",
somewhat similar to the Samurai "Way of the Sword"
a collection of principles for success in life,
and in life-and-death situations,
which are zero-sum contests as are pool competitions.

Check out these books which could help formulate your Code of Conduct
according to these age-old principles:

Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai
and
Ideals of the Samurai: Writings of Japanese Warriors
and
The 21 precepts of Miyamoto Musashi

If you have the chance to read these,
I would like to collaborate with you in the further
development of your Code of Conduct.

Namaste'

FastMikie

I breezed through The 21 precepts of Miyamoto Musashi but I thoroughly enjoyed "Namaste'". It is the single most "connecting" word I think I have ever heard. You are truly an unusual human being.

The other two books may take a bit more effort but please feel free to share your ideas for improving the Code of Conduct in PM or in this thread.

Namaste' :bow-down:
JoeyA
 
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Joey... glad you like the references.

"an unusual human being"?

some people just call me weird.

;o)
 
FastMikie said:
Joey... glad you like the references.

"an unusual human being"?

some people just call me weird.

;o)
Weird? or just Educated.... ? I think educated.

I went to the Country Club yesterday for a Golf tourney (not by my choice). I wonder if the Club has to "correct" some of it's members for "dress/attire"? Everyone there acted and dressed professionally. (It was expected) It's a high level sport with a lot of $$$ sponsors. My company threw in over $20k on this 6 hour event for non pros.

I don't see why "pool officials" could not keep things in line when needed for the sake of the sport. Every sport has uniforms or shirts, traditions and rules, etc. Conduct in other sports is monitored and dealt with, why should billiards be treated differently?

Once upon a time Billiards was a Gentleman's sport (with ladies). Sadly it has gone down hill. I'd like to see Billiards with a little more class.

Just a thought that was in my head. :cool:
 
The U. S. Amateur championship, put on annually by the APA has a dress code which they enforce in the competition of the 128 finalists who are selected in the regional competitions. The regional events are not so picky about the dress code. Here's what they say about it in rule #8:

There will be an enforced casual dress code: collared shirts and no jeans.

I wonder what is in the IPT and WPBA dress codes?
 
For what it's worth, the first time I saw Johnny Archer outside of an Accu-Stats tape was at the Lexington All Stars back in 99 or so. He's young and he may be a great person, but when he walked into the lobby area he was dressed like a rap artist with the baggy clothes, the gold chains and a baseball cap turned sideways. I hate to say it but I lost interest in him when I saw that. When he entered the playing arena he was dressed nice, like he's always dressed for tournaments, but that look into his private life ruined him for me. Yeah, I know we shouldn't judge books by their covers but that's just the way things are.
MULLY
don't know how he is these days
 
The IPT dress code, taken from the current website:

International Pool Tour Dress Code:
IPT Member Players are expected to be dressed professionally at all times while at an IPT tournament, meeting, exhibition, media event, interview, public appearance, or any time while representing the International Pool Tour. The following guidelines outline the IPT dress code. This dress code may change at any time with or without notice. It is a player's responsibility to be familiar with this dress code. Any questions about certain garments that might not meet this code must be cleared by the Tour Director in advance.

Male players -
The minimum expected dress code for male players is dress slacks, dress shoes (clean and polished), long sleeve button-up dress shirt (with collar), and sport coat. While playing, players may remove their sport coat and roll up their sleeves (if desired). The suggested dress code for male players is a formal suit and tie, with or without a vest, a button-up dress shirt (with collar), and dress shoes, or a sport coat and tie. Turtle necks may also be worn with a sport coat. While playing, players may remove their coat and tie if desired, and roll up their sleeves. No short sleeve shirts are allowed. All shirts must be tucked in with the exception of certain turtle necks.

Female players -
Expected & suggested dress code for female players is dress slacks, dress blouse or turtle neck, sweater, etc., and dress shoes. Female players may opt to wear a skirt, or a dress. Casual sun dresses or any other casual attire is not allowed. Sandals or flip-flops are not allowed. Other open style dress shoes may be allowed if they are dressy and not casual. Players who are not sure if a specific shoe will meet code must have it cleared in advance by the Tour Director.

All players -
The following clothing is not allowed: Jeans (any denim of any kind), khakis, sneakers, trainers, or any type of gym-type shoe, flip-flops, sandals, baseball caps, berets, sock hats, visors, or any casual hat or cap.

Sponsorship Logos -
Players are allowed to display their sponsorship logo(s) as long as they are embroidered onto their shirts or blouses. Players may display up to three logos on their shirts. Logos must be tastefully displayed and appropriately sized so as not to detract from the dressy nature of IPT events. Logos that are overly bold or obnoxious are not allowed. If there is any question whatsoever that a sponsorship logo might not be compliant with the dress code, it is the responsibility of the player to have the logo size and appearance cleared by the Tour Director.

General Appearance -
All players are expected to be neatly dressed. All players must wear a belt if their slacks have belt loops. Shoes must be shined and in good condition.
Players are expected to be well groomed with regard to hair cuts, facial hair, and cleanliness.

Cue Cases -
Players are allowed and encouraged to display their sponsorship logo stickers on their cue cases. The IPT crew will do their best to display cue cases on television programs for players who are on television tables.


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Women's dress code, taken from New England Women's Pool Tour:

DRESS CODE

This is a WPBA Qualifying Tour so please dress appropriately.

1) We will no longer allow blue jeans. You may wear jeans of a color other than blue. If your jeans look more "BLUE" than "BLACK", be prepared to have a change of clothes. I will not be swayed.

2) Sneakers will be allowed, but they may not be ripped, torn, dirty, or in extremely bad condition, they must be presentable.

3) No ripped or torn clothing or clothes with suggestive wording.

4) No T-shirts. Cotton T-shirts are not acceptable. T-shirts with a collar will be acceptable, such as Polo shirts.

5) "Belly shirts" and shirts that allow bra straps to be visible are not acceptable.

6) Any shirt showing visible cleavage of the chest area is not allowed.

7) Shorts, "Leggings", "Skorts" and sports warm-ups are not acceptable.

8) Skirts and dresses may be worn, but they cannot be more than 2 inches (5cm) above the knee.

9) Open-toed sandals or shoes may be worn but they must be "dressy" or made of leather and may not make excessive noise. Thong sandals are never allowed.

10) Tops must cover your midsection while you are in a playing stance - i.e., visible back section is UNACCEPTABLE.


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The Northwest Women's Pool Association is more specific:

Dress Codes

The NWPA wishes to promote a distinctive and tasteful regional tour to our sponsors and press. As such, the NWPA felt it important to incorporate a dress code policy to be mandated for all tour events. Dress code for all events is in effect one hour prior to the first match of each tournament day until one hour after the end of a player?s last match. Proper attire must be worn for all player meetings, televised interviews, newspaper interviews, celebrity events, regular tournament matches and any specialty practice table set up for fundraisers and/or exhibitions. All players competing or participating in NWPA events are responsible for knowing and adhering to the dress code requirements. If a player is found to be in violation of the dress code, she will have 15 minutes to change her attire or forfeit her match. If you have any doubt of whether you are inappropriately dressed for an event, please bring a suitable extra change of clothing with you.

The dress code policy is split into the following two categories:

DRESS CODE A: PROFESSIONAL ? TO BE WORN IN THE ARENA, AND AT PLAYER?S MEETINGS. Dress slacks, skirts, or divided skirts, to be worn with coordinated tops and/or jackets and dress shoes. Tops are defined as blouses, shirts, sweaters, vests or dressy knit tops. Fitted tees and fitted polos are allowed, provided that they follow these guidelines:

* Typical Hanes style t-shirts (the type one might wear to workout or go to a bbq) are NOT allowed.
* Plain white tees/polos are NOT allowed.
* NO graphic tees. Sponsor logos are acceptable as long as they follow guidelines for logos (see below).

Absolutely no jeans of any color, leggings, athletic wear, shorts or mini skirts. Use good taste in coordinating blouses, sweaters or jackets to slacks or skirts.No revealing tank tops or bare midriffs. At no time during an NWPA tournament should a player?s top reveal a bare mid-section. It will be considered a violation of the dress code if, in the course of bending over the table to complete a shot, a player?s blouse or top moves up or becomes untucked, revealing bare mid-section. No open-toed shoes or sneakers (unless medically necessary; written documentation from a physician is required).

DRESS CODE B: CASUAL ? ALLOWED ONLY DURING 2ND CHANCE TOURNAMENTS. Cotton slacks, colored denims (not excessively worn looking), designer warm ups, cotton shirts, non-collared shirts in good taste, with casual shoes (e.g., canvas or new looking sneakers).

* No wrinkled, torn, faded or excessively worn clothing
* No torn shoes
* No blatant show of cleavage (especially when bending over the table)
* Must wear bra (no bra straps revealed)
* When bending over the table, no excessive midriff or below midriff skin can be shown. No midriff or below midriff skin can show when standing
* No knees or skin above the knees can be shown
* Nylons or trouser socks must be worn
* A belt is required if belt loops are visible while standing or bending

All tops without finished hems or with frayed hems must be tucked in.



Logos and Trademarks

Players may wear identifying trademarks or logos no larger than four inches at the largest point of measurement when worn above the waist and no larger than two inches at the largest point when worn below the waist. A player may not wear any more than four trademarks or logos on her person at the same time. An exception will be made in allowing larger logos if approved by the NWPA. Logos should be tasteful in representing sponsors only.

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On October 17, 2005, National Basketball Association commissioner David Stern implemented a mandatory dress code for all NBA and NBA Development League players. This was especially noteworthy because the NBA became the first major professional sports league to implement such a rule, although National Hockey League rules state that a player is supposed to wear a jacket and tie to games and on charters if not told otherwise by the head coach or general manager. Also, nearly every sport has rules on what a player can wear while playing, usually for safety reasons and/or the protection of sponsors.
Here's the NBA dress code:

NBA Player Dress Code
Posted Oct 20 2005 6:42PM
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1. General Policy: Business Casual

Players are required to wear Business Casual attire whenever they are engaged in team or league business.

"Business Casual" attire means

# A long or short-sleeved dress shirt (collared or turtleneck), and/or a sweater.
# Dress slacks, khaki pants, or dress jeans.
# Appropriate shoes and socks, including dress shoes, dress boots, or other presentable shoes, but not including sneakers, sandals, flip-flops, or work boots.

2. Exceptions to Business Casual

There are the following exceptions to the general policy of Business Casual attire:

a. Players In Attendance At Games But Not In Uniform


Players who are in attendance at games but not in uniform are required to wear the following additional items when seated on the bench or in the stands during the game:

# Sport Coat
# Dress shoes or boots, and socks

b. Players Leaving the Arena

Players leaving the arena may wear either Business Casual attire or neat warm-up suits issued by their teams.

c. Special Events or Appearances

Teams can make exceptions to the Business Casual policy for special events or player appearances where other attire is appropriate -- e.g., participation in a basketball clinic.

3. Excluded Items

The following is a list of items that players are not allowed to wear at any time while on team or league business:

# Sleeveless shirts
# Shorts
# T-shirts, jerseys, or sports apparel (unless appropriate for the event (e.g., a basketball clinic), team-identified, and approved by the team)
# Headgear of any kind while a player is sitting on the bench or in the stands at a game, during media interviews, or during a team or league event or appearance (unless appropriate for the event or appearance, team-identified, and approved by the team)
# Chains, pendants, or medallions worn over the player's clothes
# Sunglasses while indoors
# Headphones (other than on the team bus or plane, or in the team locker room)
 
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Code of Conduct

Hi Joeya,

Congratulations on a fine document, it's obvious that you and Doug put a lot of time and effort into this project.

I have only a couple minor suggestions:

"The role of the professional (sportsman)"
replace sportsman with pocket billiard player

"Dining with fans & amateur competitors"
Who a person dines with is a personal matter

"It is the responsibility of the player to ascertain the relevant dress code requirements."
If this is true? why have a mandatory dress code (should be left out)

"Wagering"
I completely agree with this section, unfortunately I'm in the minority on this.


Congratulations again for a fine document, it makes me proud to be a pocket billiards player.

Thanks

John:)
 
JohnInNH said:
Hi Joeya,

Congratulations on a fine document, it's obvious that you and Doug put a lot of time and effort into this project.

I have only a couple minor suggestions:

"The role of the professional (sportsman)"
replace sportsman with pocket billiard player

"Dining with fans & amateur competitors"
Who a person dines with is a personal matter

"It is the responsibility of the player to ascertain the relevant dress code requirements."
If this is true? why have a mandatory dress code (should be left out)

"Wagering"
I completely agree with this section, unfortunately I'm in the minority on this.


Congratulations again for a fine document, it makes me proud to be a pocket billiards player.

Thanks

John:)

Thanks for the nice comments John. Doug and I will be updating the document in future weeks and appreciate everyone's input.
JoeyA
 
Appreciation

Thanks Joey,
This is a very good beginning for a very good idea.
This work is necessary and valuable.
Many of these suggestions become second nature when diligently practiced and commonly we must practice winning before we can actually win.
Respectfully,
Andy Bruce
Hittman
 
mullyman said:
For what it's worth, the first time I saw Johnny Archer outside of an Accu-Stats tape was at the Lexington All Stars back in 99 or so. He's young and he may be a great person, but when he walked into the lobby area he was dressed like a rap artist with the baggy clothes, the gold chains and a baseball cap turned sideways. I hate to say it but I lost interest in him when I saw that. When he entered the playing arena he was dressed nice, like he's always dressed for tournaments, but that look into his private life ruined him for me. Yeah, I know we shouldn't judge books by their covers but that's just the way things are.
MULLY
don't know how he is these days
And you didn't get any pics?? For shame...LOLz
 
Casey said:
Jerome called me and said he was paying it. Guess I'll have to pay both of you.

It figures that he would take credit for my idea knowing all of the time that he wasn't going to pay for it.

How is a scuffler supposed to make a dollar? There is way too much competition out there. I'm going to give up this life as a pool player.

Maybe Orcullo was able to make the switch from fisherman to pool player but I have failed miserably and can't even beat the old dudes. It's just too hard. I'm going back to fishing where it's easy.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
It figures that he would take credit for my idea knowing all of the time that he wasn't going to pay for it.

How is a scuffler supposed to make a dollar? There is way too much competition out there. I'm going to give up this life as a pool player.

Maybe Orcullo was able to make the switch from fisherman to pool player but I have failed miserably and can't even beat the old dudes. It's just too hard. I'm going back to fishing where it's easy.
JoeyA

NEVER, NEVER, will you give up pool. Do you know why. COMPETITION.
Also you're the SHANNON THE CANNON STUFFER. I'M THE BUFF STUFFER.
and it's still fun.
 
Casey said:
I'M THE BUFF STUFFER.
and it's still fun.

Buff was wincing tonight about the whipping you have been giving him lately. He complained that you never have to practice and still run out like Justin Gatlin. LOL
JoeyA
 
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