Colin Colenso potting test

haha, I knew the CTE thread virus would infect this thread too. Maybe CTE has become a stronger strain of the APA sandbagging virus.

First, lemme just say NICE SHOOTING 8pack.

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On the subject of video "proof" of CTE -

The only thing that will prove it to me is if I can use it myself.

Seeing a video of some guy using it (or who claims he's using it, or who thinks he's using it) means nothing to me. That's not to say video evidence is a bad thing, but it must be coupled with an understanding of what's being viewed. I can take any of dave's videos, set them up at my home table, and recreate the results. I can't do that with a CTE video. Seeing a video of CTE working is like when bob jewett posted a video of him making a 90 degree cut. Without some key info (chalk on the ball), anyone who goes home to recreate it will only get frustrated and still won't believe they saw what they saw.

If I see a guy making balls with CTE, what am I actually seeing visually? A guy getting down on his shot, wiggling the stick around, and then making the ball. It doesn't look different from a guy making balls some other way. If a guy using CTE sinks balls better than me on the video, there are other possibilities:

1. He's just a better player
2. He's about the same level but has better fundamentals and a straighter stroke.
3. He thinks he's using CTE but his subconscious and shooting experience is just tweaking him to the right line of aim, rather than sticking to the CTE formula strictly.
4. He's done the drill in the video a thousand times already.
5. He's being deceptive, and you're seeing the 200th take of the video and don't see all his misses (to be fair, I don't think anyone has or will intentionally try to deceive the skeptics this way. But it had to be mentioned).
6. He's having an unusually good day for shotmaking. It happens.

Until all of these variables are eliminated, I cannot call any video "proof" that CTE works. You give me CTE and let me compare it to my old way of making balls, and if it's as good as people claim it is... the results should speak for themselves. THAT'S putting your money where your mouth is.
 
haha, I knew the CTE thread virus would infect this thread too. Maybe CTE has become a stronger strain of the APA sandbagging virus.

First, lemme just say NICE SHOOTING 8pack.

----
On the subject of video "proof" of CTE -

The only thing that will prove it to me is if I can use it myself.

Seeing a video of some guy using it (or who claims he's using it, or who thinks he's using it) means nothing to me. That's not to say video evidence is a bad thing, but it must be coupled with an understanding of what's being viewed. I can take any of dave's videos, set them up at my home table, and recreate the results. I can't do that with a CTE video. Seeing a video of CTE working is like when bob jewett posted a video of him making a 90 degree cut. Without some key info (chalk on the ball), anyone who goes home to recreate it will only get frustrated and still won't believe they saw what they saw.

If I see a guy making balls with CTE, what am I actually seeing visually? A guy getting down on his shot, wiggling the stick around, and then making the ball. It doesn't look different from a guy making balls some other way. If a guy using CTE sinks balls better than me on the video, there are other possibilities:

1. He's just a better player
2. He's about the same level but has better fundamentals and a straighter stroke.
3. He thinks he's using CTE but his subconscious and shooting experience is just tweaking him to the right line of aim, rather than sticking to the CTE formula strictly.
4. He's done the drill in the video a thousand times already.
5. He's being deceptive, and you're seeing the 200th take of the video and don't see all his misses (to be fair, I don't think anyone has or will intentionally try to deceive the skeptics this way. But it had to be mentioned).
6. He's having an unusually good day for shotmaking. It happens.

Until all of these variables are eliminated, I cannot call any video "proof" that CTE works. You give me CTE and let me compare it to my old way of making balls, and if it's as good as people claim it is... the results should speak for themselves. THAT'S putting your money where your mouth is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41695xksRRY

I use a system for every shot in this video that is either cte
or something that is very close to it.
Do i no how it works yes...will i tell it on this forum not sure.
I have spent alot time at the table figuring things out.
I have acted like i knew nothing about it and have ask alot of people
questions in hoping to find out what i was doing was correct.

Watch how my hand lands on the table.
The hand lands at a certain spot with the stick pointing in a certain direction and straightened back up and lined through the center of cb in one motion.


Do i use this method ? only when i need it.

The More you learn about the game the funner it gets.
Do i think this is the best system out there?No but it is a part of
my game and im not going back to fix problems that i dont have.Only going to add to what i know...
 
Great stroke, and the potting was superb, I realize it was about potting the balls only because the white ball was going everywhere. Great stroke, and very confident looking, I need weight thats for sure-I'd love to play that strong. Thanks for the video I'm going to watch all the other ones-I didnt know they were on youtube------Where the heck have I been:confused::confused:.


I dont know alot about CTE and all of the other endless arguments here but what I just saw in the video from the OP was VERY strong fundementals, free wheeling in those shots is hard to do, and I'm sure if he wanted to control the white ball he could do that too. I put more emphsis on fundmentals than aming systems. but thats just me, I cant spell and dont know right from left 50% of the time(Gods honest truth) each of out brains are wired differently, Look at JA he was running racks the week he started playing, I have seen players come up so fast and others who never make 3 balls in a row after playing 3 years. eye hand coordiation and learning when your 9 yers old helps-Shannon is proof of that.
 
Great stroke, and the potting was superb, I realize it was about potting the balls only because the white ball was going everywhere. Great stroke, and very confident looking, I need weight thats for sure-I'd love to play that strong. Thanks for the video I'm going to watch all the other ones-I didnt know they were on youtube------Where the heck have I been:confused::confused:.


I dont know alot about CTE and all of the other endless arguments here but what I just saw in the video from the OP was VERY strong fundementals, free wheeling in those shots is hard to do, and I'm sure if he wanted to control the white ball he could do that too. I put more emphsis on fundmentals than aming systems. but thats just me, I cant spell and dont know right from left 50% of the time(Gods honest truth) each of out brains are wired differently, Look at JA he was running racks the week he started playing, I have seen players come up so fast and others who never make 3 balls in a row after playing 3 years. eye hand coordiation and learning when your 9 yers old helps-Shannon is proof of that.

Thanks for the compliment on my fundmentals.

On Collins potting test i used a certain method a couple of times.
not on every shot.
This video.
Collins potting test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCI2D-eh5mo

Im not sure which one you watch but i posted something regarding Creedo
post about a certain system which i use it on every shot.
Shotmaking drill. This video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41695xksRRY

Thanks Again.
 
Creedo,

The point of me asking folks to make a video and tell us what method they are using for aiming is to get more people to just get up and think about it.

Yes, it's very difficult to tell how a player is aiming by watching videos. So you have to accept what the player is telling you and if enough people make videos where they are sincerely claiming to use x-method then perhaps it's worth a shot if you care at all to learn it.

I was fortunate in the 90s to know Francisco Bustamante. I built him a case. When Francisco would play in Germany everyone would be talking about how he played and wondering what he was looking at when he aimed - his stick would point at somewhere else beside the textbook ghostball line, he would appear to be looking out in space. When he stroked his arm would pump up and down and sideways and the tip would always go to the bottom left or right (I can't remember which) side of the ball - then on delivery he would come through the ball perfectly with the correct spin. He would make shots that seemed impossible - ultra thin cuts - juiced up inside english shots - etc.....

He handed out spots to good players that seemed crazy and outran the nuts dozens of times. I personally think that half the time in the early years his opponents were simply mesmerized by his unothodox style. And believe me his style was as far away from the intensely mechanical by-the-book German style of playing pool as a person could get.

I never did ask Busty back then how he was aiming. I remember distinctly watching him play and wondering what he was looking at. But I thought I had aiming down cold back then and all my problems stemmed from my mechanics.

In the intervening years since then and after meeting Hal Houle and hearing him talk about the Filipinos using aiming systems I decided to investigate it. And guess what? It turns out that some pros use "alternative" methods to aim that don't involve ghost ball.

This has been documented in at least one billiard magazine article on the subject where they asked a bunch of pros about it. CJ Wiley has a video out where he teaches it. I can tell you that Rodney Morris told me he looks at portions of the ball as taught to him by someone in Hawaii.

8 Pack has stated clearly that he uses CTE or something like it when he needs it. He didn't say it in the video but he stated it here.

You're right that there are a lot of reasons why a player would pocket more than another player but the number one thing that any player needs to pocket the ball is to be on the right line to do so. So if a guy makes a video and doesn't make all the shots (like me) then he needs to reevaluate how he is aiming first and then tackle the other aspects of his technique.

IMO
 
lotsa shots

How did he make alll of those balls without disturbing the others? Is that a special set with only the ones and cueballs?
 
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