Collared vs. uncollared cues

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Dead Crab

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While both claim a wood-to-wood joint, uncollared joints have a whole lot more area of wood contact between butt and shaft.

Other things being equal, is there a significant difference in "feel" or performance between collared and uncollared cues?
 
Stop and think about what you are asking.

The "feel" and "performance" of each cue is different for each individual.
Its like asking which beer tastes better, or which brand of golf club plays/feels better.
Go find one (or some) and play with them for a bit. Only you can answer your question.
 
Shortside K said:
Stop and think about what you are asking.

The "feel" and "performance" of each cue is different for each individual.
Its like asking which beer tastes better, or which brand of golf club plays/feels better.
Go find one (or some) and play with them for a bit. Only you can answer your question.
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I agree. Feel is all about perception. People can agree if a cue hits hard or soft, but feel is all about preference. Asking a room full of pool players what joint hits more solid or has more feel is opening a can of worms.

Theories are good to start with, but experience is huge when it comes to finding what you like.
 
Shortside K said:
Stop and think about what you are asking.

The "feel" and "performance" of each cue is different for each individual.
Its like asking which beer tastes better, or which brand of golf club plays/feels better.
Go find one (or some) and play with them for a bit. Only you can answer your question.
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Good points, however I believe the OP was not asking about the quality of any difference, merely the existence of one. :D
 
I haven't seen any advantage to "sneaky-pete" style shafts as far as hit.

I have however seen un-collared shafts split at the joint at a rate of about 20-1 vs. thhose with rings.
 
I would have to say that my Silky sneaky (uncollared) plays with the most amount of feedback and feel and I would have to say the same with a good amount of the true, plain sneakies I have hit. With my phenolic flat faced joint, it has a good amount of feel but has a stiffer hit than the sneaky with no joint rings. My ss piloted cue has a tremendous amount of stiffness and has increasingly less feel than the two previously mentioned.

That is my experience with my equipment. (20 yrs) Good luck.
 
makes no tangible difference. This game is about skill, not so much about equiptment. I'm sure Efren would play you for any ammount if you picked which cue he played with... he would say "is that all you need?"
 
enjoyment

CaptiveBred said:
makes no tangible difference. This game is about skill, not so much about equiptment. I'm sure Efren would play you for any ammount if you picked which cue he played with... he would say "is that all you need?"
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This game is about the joy it brings to the person playing it. That is the most important factor to me. I would have to say that building the skill is the main object, but we as Americans have the extra luxuries and resources to acquire the best possible equipment, and I say that's a plus.

To the ones on this forum who are interested in learning more, let them ask their questions and let's help educate them in the ways we know how.

Efren prefers elkmaster tips and $13 cues on occasion, but how many people in the world play like him? I would have to say Efren is intangible.
 
deadgearplyr said:
This game is about the joy it brings to the person playing it. That is the most important factor to me. I would have to say that building the skill is the main object, but we as Americans have the extra luxuries and resources to acquire the best possible equipment, and I say that's a plus.
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I can respect your honesty. Usually these guys won't admit they buy all the goodies cause they like to...


Most of the guys with all the gimmicks are the same cats who tell you how their sail boats held up to the big stacks suited baby connecters with a runner runner nut full house :) or some such jargon

Hard to respect a fella like that! and its easy to poke fun at them. My apologies to you
 
Dead Crab said:
While both claim a wood-to-wood joint, uncollared joints have a whole lot more area of wood contact between butt and shaft.

Other things being equal, is there a significant difference in "feel" or performance between collared and uncollared cues?
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Personally, I dont' think there is a significant difference. The collar however serves a mechanical function as a ferrule to prevent end-splitting.

I have a cue that the collar ring fell off. When screwed together, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference.

The term in my industry is "intimate contact." The flat-face joint provides plenty of it around the joint pin. There are many other things in a cue's parameters that will make the cue feel different as well.

Fred
 
collared

collared is stronger than uncollared- The cue in the avatar, has a collared ivory joint ,and under the ivory it's a linen collar,and then the maple front is cored,with a gold plated radial pin. The feel is tremendous,its a 30-1/16 long butt and shaft. This is a Joss West-you would expect the best from bill stroud! mark
 
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