Common Question - Jump Cues or No Jump Cues?

Jump Cues or No Jump Cues?

  • No jump cues.

    Votes: 27 18.4%
  • Yes, I like jump cues (and jumping with anything else)

    Votes: 56 38.1%
  • Only if jumping with full playing cue or break cue.

    Votes: 12 8.2%
  • Only if jumping with full playing cue.

    Votes: 35 23.8%
  • NO JUMPING AT ALL!

    Votes: 17 11.6%

  • Total voters
    147
No, don't manipulate the data. Jumping is OK with 88% of the voters.

And more than 56% of those who support jumping do not support jump cues.

12% don't support jumping of any kind.


It's the majority in this poll!!! lol Or is there some other item you take into account??

And really you could add the 3 middle options to the credit of jumping,,since its just what cue being used. It blows the "no" side away!!!
 
No, don't manipulate the data. Jumping is OK with 88% of the voters.

And more than 56% of those who support jumping do not support jump cues.

12% don't support jumping of any kind.

Correct, this was the data I was looking for.
 
They have had to ban a variety of clubs.
When pool gets sand traps, has 300yd tables and pockets which the ball can roll around/over, maybe we'll see a need for more sticks.
I'd rather see jump cues banned.

Did they ban clubs that can accomplish specific tasks?
Or just say "your club can't fall outside these specifications"?
i.e. they didn't ban drivers, they banned drivers made of X material.
They didn't ban putters, they banned putters of X length.

So, let's not ban jumpers. It's a tool for a specific task, just like a break cue is.
Just set a reasonable minimum length and/or weight.


Hard on the cloth, Hard on the table

Never noticed, but compare jump cue damage to break damage. Breaks give you worn
tracks, burnt whitish areas in the kitchen, hole in the spot (plus a dimple), etc.
We don't ban breaks despite all this.
Would you also ban full masse shots?

I would support a rule that forbids jumps when the obstructing ball is within 1 foot of the CB. To me, that's when the line is crossed, where it doesn't seem like we're playing pool anymore. [snip] ...I get the feeling that most of us are not against jumping, but against these super light, super short jump cues that make a 1-inch-away jump shot possible. I wonder if the solution might be to change the minimum cue length to somewhere between the current rule and a full sized cue (or increase the minimum weight, or both).

Yeah, but the closer the OB is, the harder it is to jump. 1 inch jumps are NOT easy.
If the complaint is that jumping is too easy, why ban the only jumps that actually take skill?

I don't like the idea of a rule that requires us to keep a ruler around to measure the jump.
But your solution of a compromise size/weight makes sense. It adds difficulty, and if a player
can jump from 1 inch away using a longer, heavier cue... god bless 'em.

there's a fundamental problem with the ease of obtaining a legal hit
...I think, all we can do now is limit WHEN they can be used and force the shooter to kick from time to time.

Maybe there's a fundamental problem with the ease of obtaining ball in hand? Which is basically loss of game
at the higher levels? Many safeties are dead nuts easy and some happen entirely by accident.

As for forcing players to kick occasionally... my impression is, most pro matches have plenty of kicking.
In fact, without having sat down and researched youtube, I bet you will have a difficult time finding
a single race of any length (say, to 11) where there were more jumps than kicks.

There are numerous situations where jumping is less controlled, less likely to make the ball,
more likely to fly off the table, or the shot can't be reached (even with air bridge/dart stroke).


I mentioned something to that effect in a previous post and another poster thought I was some kind of a nutcase. (although....he wasn't far off :o)

My opinion was that you should only be able to use a jump cue at the start of your inning (in other words, when your OPPONENT hooks you). If you later during your inning hook YOURSELF, then you should not be allowed to use the jump cue to bail yourself out of a jam you put yourself into.

Maniac

Why double penalize someone for screwing up? Their inning is probably over even if they make a good hit.

People act like you can just get hooked and drill in a ball and carry on like nothing happened.
Getting a good hit might be easy, but let's not kid ourselves, the majority of jumps end in tears for the jumper.
It's much rarer to sink a ball or hide the cue ball than to simply get a hit and sell out.

I am over 50 yrs old and have come back to pool. Wayyyy back when I was 20, jumping in order to pocket a ball was primarily done by trick-shot junkies. Although I admire the talent it takes to jump the CB well; I also think that today many players are too quick to reach for their jump cue to get out of a bind. I would rather see the kick out. Here is 2 reasons why,.....

1- If you are required to kick, not only do you have to make the hit, but you also need to leave the CB in a safe position. Many times you can make the kick only to "sell-out" leaving an open position for your opponent. It takes twice the talent to kick than to jump in my opinion.

OK, how much time have you spent at the table specifically doing jump safeties? Be honest. 0 minutes maybe?
Again, getting a hit is easy. But getting a safe after? That's tough.
Most jump shots sell out and we think the jumper got the best of it just because he got a good hit.
But really he'll probably go on to lose the rack.

2- Jumping balls makes the game change. It now makes the game 3 dimensional as opposed to 2 dimensional. Big Deal ? How would you like to get beat on jumped CB for a carom that pots the money ball?
Great shot ?!? : TRUE A conventional shot ?!? NO

I wouldn't like to get beat by the other guy shooting an easy hanger either.
I don't like to get beat period. I figure I shouldn't have let him to the table.
If I do get beat though, I'd love to see it done with a great, unconventional shot.
 
No, don't manipulate the data. Jumping is OK with 88% of the voters.

And more than 56% of those who support jumping do not support jump cues.

12% don't support jumping of any kind.

Are you suggesting that I am manipulating the poll results. LMAO I don't understand that at all ,,,,,,when you are putting up percentages that I just don't see,or in a way it sounds different.
The percentages of the poll are there to see,,,right next to all the other data!!

All I see is a higher percentage voted for jumping,,and with jump cues!! But I am just reading the information on the poll itself!! I am not manipulating anything.
Not that I really give a shit about how many people like jump cues.lol
They are not going anywhere!! I'll keep using mine regardless of this poll.

One way to deter someone from jumping,,is play a great safety ,,against another ball.
But I will tell you,,most of the time I jump a ball,,its not because my opponent played safe. It usually because he missed a shot he was trying,,and got real lucky to get behind a ball.

It's also pretty amazing that there are so many bleeding hearts here,that all the sudden are worried about the integrity of the game,,and "don't want to take away from it" with a jump cue!! LOL
IMO,,most of them don't jump well!! And don't want to cheapen the game with a silly jump cue. It so easy to get out from anywhere with one of those things!!! And I don't want to win THAT way!! LMAO,,ya right!!
Been coming here for years and have seen some things here, on a consistent basis that pale in comparison to this,,cheapening the game.

A well executed and controlled jump shot is a beautiful thing.

I am unsubscribing from this thread.
Thanks for the entertainment. Good Luck kicking at em!!!
 
Did they ban clubs that can accomplish specific tasks?
Or just say "your club can't fall outside these specifications"?
i.e. they didn't ban drivers, they banned drivers made of X material.
They didn't ban putters, they banned putters of X length.

So, let's not ban jumpers. It's a tool for a specific task, just like a break cue is.
Just set a reasonable minimum length and/or weight.

Good point. I think we should ban multiple cues in a game, save for failure of equipment. :thumbup:

I think the minimum length and weight should be somewhere around just a couple of inches short of standard cue length and about 15oz. :wink:
 
This was your first sentence in that post:

"Looks like the majority like jump cues".

This is not correct. That's all I'm saying.

Fact is the poll shows that less than the majority that do condone jumping prefer to do it without a jump cue.

Troll on Pal..


Are you suggesting that I am manipulating the poll results. LMAO I don't understand that at all ,,,,,,when you are putting up percentages that I just don't see,or in a way it sounds different.
The percentages of the poll are there to see,,,right next to all the other data!!

All I see is a higher percentage voted for jumping,,and with jump cues!! But I am just reading the information on the poll itself!! I am not manipulating anything.
Not that I really give a shit about how many people like jump cues.lol
They are not going anywhere!! I'll keep using mine regardless of this poll.

One way to deter someone from jumping,,is play a great safety ,,against another ball.
But I will tell you,,most of the time I jump a ball,,its not because my opponent played safe. It usually because he missed a shot he was trying,,and got real lucky to get behind a ball.

It's also pretty amazing that there are so many bleeding hearts here,that all the sudden are worried about the integrity of the game,,and "don't want to take away from it" with a jump cue!! LOL
IMO,,most of them don't jump well!! And don't want to cheapen the game with a silly jump cue. It so easy to get out from anywhere with one of those things!!! And I don't want to win THAT way!! LMAO,,ya right!!
Been coming here for years and have seen some things here, on a consistent basis that pale in comparison to this,,cheapening the game.

A well executed and controlled jump shot is a beautiful thing.

I am unsubscribing from this thread.
Thanks for the entertainment. Good Luck kicking at em!!!
 
Also, on the first option "No Jump Cues" the voters that selected this do allow jumping. That's another 18% you are not accounting
 
My vote is for jumping with a full cue only. I'm probably in the minority thinking here, but I sure hope in the future as technology invades the sport, the game remains the same ( as much as possible anyways ). One can only hope I guess. I fear for whats to come, like a 10x rifle scope on a 104" cue, and on a 24 foot table for example. Hope I'm six foot under before any of that sorts comes to be.
 
Or a robotic cue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH08-JQwsZQ

My vote is for jumping with a full cue only. I'm probably in the minority thinking here, but I sure hope in the future as technology invades the sport, the game remains the same ( as much as possible anyways ). One can only hope I guess. I fear for whats to come, like a 10x rifle scope on a 104" cue, and on a 24 foot table for example. Hope I'm six foot under before any of that sorts comes to be.
 
I dont understand why you would have a rule that says , you can use playing cue or break cue . If you can use your break cue , which probably has a hard break tip you might as well be able to use a jump cue. I REMEMBER IN THE 60,S AND 70,S USING THE SHAFT . But we know the industry didnt make money off that so a rule was made cant jump with a shaft (unless its Earl,s 100ft cues shaft.I VOTED NO JUMP CUES LEARN HOW TO KICK. Yes i can jump.
 

Interesting link, I enjoyed watching it. Another thought just appeared to me with the new Google Glass wearable computer. So whats next, augmented reality for pool? Where the player with the glasses can "actually see all the lines" (yes, I have seen that video too with the projections on the playing surface). Looks like we may have a new poll topic in the near future..."Should players wearing the Google Glass be banned...:rolleyes: Allow me to cast my vote now as a big fat yes.......

Thanks for the link Hungarian.....
 
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the shorter , lighter cue helps get over close balls too easy.

I like allowing two cues only. Playing cue and break cue. No shorter than 56 inches.

I dont understand why you would have a rule that says , you can use playing cue or break cue . If you can use your break cue , which probably has a hard break tip you might as well be able to use a jump cue. I REMEMBER IN THE 60,S AND 70,S USING THE SHAFT . But we know the industry didnt make money off that so a rule was made cant jump with a shaft (unless its Earl,s 100ft cues shaft.I VOTED NO JUMP CUES LEARN HOW TO KICK. Yes i can jump.
 
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