Confidence in Pool

So why do you continue to be the "expert" with opinions (and usually inaccurate "facts" to try to support your opinions) on every subject posted here? Sports psychology began in earnest almost a century ago. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Where did I say that I am an "expert"? I actually said that I hardly know any specifics on the subject.

What 'inaccurate' FACTS?

Where did I say anything about WHEN sports psychology came into existence?

How many individual athletes like golfers or baseball pitchers, etc. used sports psychologist 100 years ago?

Why do you seem to continually try to put your words into the mouths of others?
 
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E<<<<<< Doesnt beleive one should try to help theirself... unless it involves a marriage counselor.

Hey,

If you're talking about me, there never was any marriage counselor & none ever needed in 35 years.

Are you making assumptions?

I also, never said that individuals should not try to get help IF they need it.
 
Hey,

If you're talking about me, there never was any marriage counselor & none ever needed in 35 years.

Are you making assumptions?

I also, never said that individuals should not try to get help IF they need it.

It's all good.

I was just curious what you felt was dangerous.
 
Just because I used the term pysco-babble does not mean that I think ALL psychology is bad or anything like that.

It's the generalization of clinical psychology that can often times be misapplied.

Seems I hit a nerve with some.

We've probably mis-communicated or not communicated at all.

Text can be tricky, especially when there is no back & forth to qualify.

Best Wishes to ALL.
 
It's all good.

I was just curious what you felt was dangerous.

I'm glad for that.

The mind can be a dangerous thing to mess with.

Everyone is not as equally 'balanced'. A miscommunication by a 'Doctor' can be the result of someone killing a family member.

It's sort of like a mechanic friend of my Dad always told him, 'If it's not broken, then don't try to 'fix' it, sometimes you can break a good machine just by trying to clean it, then it NEEDS fixing & the parts to do that may not be easy to find.'.

Best 2 You & ALL.
 
Just because I used the term pysco-babble does not mean that I think ALL psychology is bad or anything like that.

It's the generalization of clinical psychology that can often times be misapplied.

Seems I hit a nerve with some.

We've probably mis-communicated or not communicated at all.

Text can be tricky, especially when there is no back & forth to qualify.

Best Wishes to ALL.

No nerves have been struck buddy.

I'm still working on this for myself but I'm aware of a problem I have with others opinions so even though we disagree, I'm fine with it. I'll reveal a bit about myself here but I have an issue with being approval-seeking and I was made aware of this recently.

So, ordinarily I would unconsciously soften my opinion to try and appease your disagreement but I won't anymore.

If anything, I now have an appreciation for criticism and differing views because they'll help me combat my problem.

Anyhow, personal information aside I think it would be ridiculous for any field to say they can solve all problems, or offer all solutions. I also think that people rely on a specific field as a means to explain, understand, and work on problems.

When I first started this thread I explained confidence from a "spiritual/life coaching" stance, but confidence can just as easily be explained in a religious, shamanic, parental, or psychological way but none of them are necessarily stronger or weaker than another.

-Richard

Let's keep this going =)
 
I'm glad for that.

The mind can be a dangerous thing to mess with.

Everyone is not as equally 'balanced'. A miscommunication by a 'Doctor' can be the result of someone killing a family member.

It's sort of like a mechanic friend of my Dad always told him, 'If it's not broken, then don't try to 'fix' it, sometimes you can break a good machine just by trying to clean it, then it NEEDS fixing & the parts to do that may not be easy to find.'.

Best 2 You & ALL.

One more question.


What do you think is worse for one's mind?

Talking to a doctor or talking to someone on the internet who believes that talking to a doctor could make someone kill a family member?
 
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One more question.


What do you think is worse for one's mind?

Talking to a doctor or talking to someone on the internet who believes that talking to a doctor could make someone kill a family member?

You asked two questions.

Couldn't help it :thumbup2:
 
No nerves have been struck buddy.

I'm still working on this for myself but I'm aware of a problem I have with others opinions so even though we disagree, I'm fine with it. I'll reveal a bit about myself here but I have an issue with being approval-seeking and I was made aware of this recently.

So, ordinarily I would unconsciously soften my opinion to try and appease your disagreement but I won't anymore.

If anything, I now have an appreciation for criticism and differing views because they'll help me combat my problem.

Anyhow, personal information aside I think it would be ridiculous for any field to say they can solve all problems, or offer all solutions. I also think that people rely on a specific field as a means to explain, understand, and work on problems.

When I first started this thread I explained confidence from a "spiritual/life coaching" stance, but confidence can just as easily be explained in a religious, shamanic, parental, or psychological way but none of them are necessarily stronger or weaker than another.

-Richard

Let's keep this going =)

I can agree with you. The thing is that Ms. Crimi & I see one getting much of what one 'needs' very early on, most probably being helped by parents & maybe 'religion' or a spiritual up bringing, maybe from teachers in elementary school.

We learn more by the age of 6 quantitatively than we will learn in the rest of our lives.

If a child plays football from the time he is 5 & in the same system all the way until he is a Sr. in H.S., there is an extremely good chance that he will play better in that system than a guy that came to school last year & had never played football before but now wants to play football. Can that new guy learn the plays & the techniques? Sure. Will they be as second nature as the guy that has been doing it all since he was 5? I doubt it.

Does that mean that that new guy should not play football? No. And that other guy may have some tips for him to speed up the process & maybe get some of it to as close to second nature perhaps more quickly.

The guy playing since he was 5 may quit after his Sr. Year. The new guy may go on & become a coach.

Best 2 Ya.
 
One more question.


What do you think is worse for one's mind?

Talking to a doctor or talking to someone on the internet who believes that talking to a doctor could make someone kill a family member?

That would depend on the state of the individual's mind in question & what Doctor to whom they might speak, one with maybe 40 years experience or one just out of school.

Are you seriously suggesting that there has never been a psychologist that made a mistake or has never mis-communicated with a patient or one that has just kept a patient hanging on for the bi-weekly fee?

Best 2 Ya.
 
That would depend on the state of the individual's mind in question & what Doctor to whom they might speak, one with maybe 40 years experience or one just out of school.

Are you seriously suggesting that there has never been a psychologist that made a mistake or has never mis-communicated with a patient or one that has just kept a patient hanging on for the bi-weekly fee?

Best 2 Ya.

I am just funnin.

It's still all good E.:thumbup:

I've been at this way too long today. I'll catch you later.
 
I can agree with you. The thing is that Ms. Crimi & I see one getting much of what one 'needs' very early on, most probably being helped by parents & maybe 'religion' or a spiritual up bringing, maybe from teachers in elementary school.

We learn more by the age of 6 quantitatively than we will learn in the rest of our lives.

If a child plays football from the time he is 5 & in the same system all the way until he is a Sr. in H.S., there is an extremely good chance that he will play better in that system than a guy that came to school last year & had never played football before but now wants to play football. Can that new guy learn the plays & the techniques? Sure. Will they be as second nature as the guy that has been doing it all since he was 5? I doubt it.

Does that mean that that new guy should not play football? No. And that other guy may have some tips for him to speed up the process & maybe get some of it to as close to second nature perhaps more quickly.

The guy playing since he was 5 may quit after his Sr. Year. The new guy may go on & become a coach.

Best 2 Ya.

Now we're onto something. Whether I approach a problem from a psychological or life coaching perspective - your childhood is the most important time of your life for the reasons you outlined; the differing opinion, though, is that one field thinks that the effects can't be overcome fully, and the other field thinks it can.

More personal information here but the reason I have that approval-seeking behavior problem is because of my childhood, it's the same reason I have a core belief of "powerlessness." As an explanation, "powerless" people only feel confident when they truly know the ins and outs of whatever skill/hobby/etc. they are involved in and as a result usually are very high achievers.

Now, onto my favorite portion of psycholoy/science: neurology. It's pretty well proven that your brain goes through a constant process of wiring and re-wiring, creating and destroying neural pathways.Your brain follows the pathway that is clearest and deepest; same as elephants marching through the jungle. It's obvious that the more you engage in the skill/hobby the deeper and clearer the path becomes; which is where the problem and solution arises.

The child who starts younger creates the pathway earlier giving him the advantage over someone who starts later and this is where things get dicey: how many factors affect the depth, and creation speed of those pathways? Different fields have different answers for that and different approaches.

With that in mind, I believe that there are factors that psychology ignores that affects those pathways so it's my belief that someone who starts later can use more methods to create those pathways. Basically, the younger player is car A maintaining a speed of 55mph, and the older player is car B maintaining a speed of 60 mph. Over time, the older player overtakes the younger player.

I think it's also important to differentiate between self-confidence, and self-efficacy. The two are related for sure, but the relationship isn't all too clear cut. Self-confidence is defined as a trust or assertion in oneself, while self-efficacy is the person's belief in their capability to reach an outcome. People with low self-confidence can have high degrees of self-efficacy, and people with very high confidence can also have low levels of self-efficacy.

Another thing to note is that self-confidence wavers from situation to situation, or rather it is often context-specific. In general, I have a high level of self-efficacy but you'll see my confidence waver in different situations. You'll see SVB play confidently at the table, but you may see him shake giving a public speech. That's to say that he doesn't feel confident giving the speech, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't think he can't reach the outcome of giving the speech.

That was a lot to write without losing focus. If I missed anything, or if anything is unclear I'll be happy to clarify.

-Richard
 
To quote Bandura:

"Self-efficacy refers to an individual's belief in his or her capacity to execute behaviors necessary to produce specific performance attainments (Bandura, 1977, 1986, 1997). Self-efficacy reflects confidence in the ability to exert control over one's own motivation, behavior, and social environment."

Research goes on to say this: People with high self-efficacy:
View challenging problems as tasks to be mastered
Develop deeper interest in the activities in which they participate
Form a stronger sense of commitment to their interests and activities
Recover quickly from setbacks and disappointments

People with weak self-efficacy:
Avoid challenging tasks
Believe that difficult tasks and situations are beyond their capabilities
Focus on personal failings and negative outcomes
Quickly lose confidence in personal abilities

Bandura is at the forefront of research on self-efficacy and self-confidence and his work is summarized online which is where I pulled the above from. I'll also quote this summation as well:

How does self-efficacy develop? These beliefs begin to form in early childhood as children deal with a wide variety of experiences, tasks, and situations. However, the growth of self-efficacy does not end during youth, but continues to evolve throughout life as people acquire new skills, experiences, and understanding.

According to Bandura, there are four major sources of self-efficacy.

1. Mastery Experiences

"The most effective way of developing a strong sense of efficacy is through mastery experiences," Bandura explained. Performing a task successfully strengthens our sense of self-efficacy. However, failing to adequately deal with a task or challenge can undermine and weaken self-efficacy.

2. Social Modeling

Witnessing other people successfully completing a task is another important source of self-efficacy. According to Bandura, "Seeing people similar to oneself succeed by sustained effort raises observers' beliefs that they too possess the capabilities master comparable activities to succeed."

3. Social Persuasion

Bandura also asserted that people could be persuaded to believe that they have the skills and capabilities to succeed. Consider a time when someone said something positive and encouraging that helped you achieve a goal. Getting verbal encouragement from others helps people overcome self-doubt and instead focus on giving their best effort to the task at hand.

4. Psychological Responses

Our own responses and emotional reactions to situations also play an important role in self-efficacy. Moods, emotional states, physical reactions, and stress levels can all impact how a person feels about their personal abilities in a particular situation. A person who becomes extremely nervous before speaking in public may develop a weak sense of self-efficacy in these situations.

However, Bandura also notes "it is not the sheer intensity of emotional and physical reactions that is important but rather how they are perceived and interpreted." By learning how to minimize stress and elevate mood when facing difficult or challenging tasks, people can improve their sense of self-efficacy.

 
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While I'm at it I might as well introduce all the self-constructs in one place:

Self-esteem: Self-esteem refers to general feelings of self-worth or self-value.

Self-confidence: Self-confidence refers to belief in one's personal worth and likelihood of succeeding. Self-confidence is a combination of self-esteem and general self-efficacy.

Self-concept: Self-concept is the nature and organization of beliefs about one's self. Self-concept is theorized to be multi-dimensional. For example, people have separate beliefs about physical, emotional, social, etc. aspects of themselves.

Self-efficacy: Self-efficacy is belief in one's capacity to succeed at tasks. General self-efficacy is belief in one's general capacity to handle tasks. Specific self-efficacy refers to beliefs about one's ability to perform specific tasks (e.g., driving, public speaking, studying, etc.)
 
Now we're onto something. Whether I approach a problem from a psychological or life coaching perspective - your childhood is the most important time of your life for the reasons you outlined; the differing opinion, though, is that one field thinks that the effects can't be overcome fully, and the other field thinks it can.

More personal information here but the reason I have that approval-seeking behavior problem is because of my childhood, it's the same reason I have a core belief of "powerlessness." As an explanation, "powerless" people only feel confident when they truly know the ins and outs of whatever skill/hobby/etc. they are involved in and as a result usually are very high achievers.

Now, onto my favorite portion of psycholoy/science: neurology. It's pretty well proven that your brain goes through a constant process of wiring and re-wiring, creating and destroying neural pathways.Your brain follows the pathway that is clearest and deepest; same as elephants marching through the jungle. It's obvious that the more you engage in the skill/hobby the deeper and clearer the path becomes; which is where the problem and solution arises.

The child who starts younger creates the pathway earlier giving him the advantage over someone who starts later and this is where things get dicey: how many factors affect the depth, and creation speed of those pathways? Different fields have different answers for that and different approaches.

With that in mind, I believe that there are factors that psychology ignores that affects those pathways so it's my belief that someone who starts later can use more methods to create those pathways. Basically, the younger player is car A maintaining a speed of 55mph, and the older player is car B maintaining a speed of 60 mph. Over time, the older player overtakes the younger player.

I think it's also important to differentiate between self-confidence, and self-efficacy. The two are related for sure, but the relationship isn't all too clear cut. Self-confidence is defined as a trust or assertion in oneself, while self-efficacy is the person's belief in their capability to reach an outcome. People with low self-confidence can have high degrees of self-efficacy, and people with very high confidence can also have low levels of self-efficacy.

Another thing to note is that self-confidence wavers from situation to situation, or rather it is often context-specific. In general, I have a high level of self-efficacy but you'll see my confidence waver in different situations. You'll see SVB play confidently at the table, but you may see him shake giving a public speech. That's to say that he doesn't feel confident giving the speech, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't think he can't reach the outcome of giving the speech.

That was a lot to write without losing focus. If I missed anything, or if anything is unclear I'll be happy to clarify.

-Richard

No, you did that well & made some good clarifying points. The english language can be a problem at times & especially when we do not use it to it's full effectiveness.

I've been out of school for a very long time & have not been engaged in too many written 'conversations' such as this, at least not until coming here a few years ago.

Also, I don't really like being definitive & 'telling' others. That is why I often use analogies or stories. Long story deleted.

Please check You PM box.

Best Wishes to YOU & ALL.
 
Was Jimmy Reid middle of the pack?

Was Jack Hines?

I also know of plenty of mma fighters who purposely follow the principles. I also know of plenty who dont purposely follow the principles but unknowingly use a lot of them naturally.

I definitely disagree that they are for middle of the pack athletes only.

Jimmy was ''top of the heap'' for sometime. He was like a calm Danny Medina. They both shot lights out.
Hines....a Very Good bar table player a notch better than Whitey Walker in the long haul but definitely, a full notch below hippie Jimmy.
 
Originally Posted by Zphix View Post

I'm a little hesitant to start a thread like this because of the backlash (well-deserved mind you) from my Heart/Passion post but I learned a lot from that post and am working on some problems I noticed about myself from reacting to that thread.

Anyway, I was talking to some friends who haven't been shooting much lately - one is a top amateur player, the other is a mid-level master player. The former hasn't been shooting that much lately and says that his game has suffered a lot, and the latter added that the explanation for this isn't bad fundamentals but your confidence and mental game becomes affected when you stop playing. I've heard this from other players as well so...

Where does your confidence in shooting originate? Is it more intuition that logical analysis, looking at the table, feeling the shots, and running more on auto-pilot (not, in the zone either) than analysis or is it something else?

I'm sure people say that confidence comes from shooting a shot enough times to "know" the shot but I think that then goes into auto-pilot instead of hoards of conscious effort, if that makes sense?

Basically, I'm asking if confidence is more auto-piloted "know-how" and "feel" than anything else for most players. If that's the case then I want to come up with something based in either psychology or spirituality to combat this trend to any degree because I, personally, feel that the mind, body, and spirit are strong and resourceful enough to neutralize the effects of not playing all the time.

For clarification, I am by no means saying it is entirely possible to stop this effect altogether. But, I do think it is possible to either slow down this effect from not playing or make it easier to regain your confidence quicker when you do return from a break of not playing.

I'd love to hear everybody's thoughts here. I'll be looking to compile opinions and experiences into a solid thesis.

-Richard

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Originally Posted by Island Drive View Post

How many hours do you play each year?

5-6 hours total if I'm lucky.
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Then I concur, your spending too much pool playing in your mind, and NOT nearly enough on the equipment.
Because of this all your thoughts and questions are good ones.
One other thing, you'll NEVER figure this out. :thumbup:
 
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