Cored vs Pinned Butt

tedkaufman

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I left pool for about 10 years 5 years ago. Going back 15 years, there were no where near as many quality cuemakers as there are now. And back then, only a handful of cuemakers made flat faced, pin to wood joints, which is strongly my preference. Nearly all the prominent cuemakers then used some form of piloted joint, either SS or ivory. So my choice of cue then was a South West, which is what I'm still playing with.

Since coming back to pool 5 years ago, I've tried loads of different cues. Among the better cuemakers, there is a consistency of hit that I do not like. They are almost all very solid, but lack feel, or resonance in the butt. I thought it might be due to the proliferation of the radial joint pin, but now I've tried a bunch with pins similar in design to the SW pin. And, still, these new cues have that solid but dull hit.

This weekend I was playing with a guy who makes cues. He had one of his and offered it for me to try. I hit a few balls with it, and although it was beautifully balanced and performed well, it had that same solid dull hit I have objected to in so many other fine new cues.

So I asked him to hit my SW. He did, then I asked him if he could feel the resonance the SW transmits. He said he did feel it. I then asked him why the SW has that feel and his and many other modern cues do not. Now I should preface this by saying I have asked dozens of players and cuemakers this same question without ever hearing an answer that really explained it.

But this fellow immediately said his cue is cored and the SW is pinned. He said it's the pin that joins the two sections of the SW is the reason for that resonance. I was stunned to hear the answer so matter of factly stated. I'm sure he's right.

Now, I do understand why cuemakers core cues. I can see how it makes for a stronger cue and how it allows for flexibility in terms of wood choices and weight and balance. Conceptually, I like the idea of a solid one-piece core. And clearly it does make for a solid, strong cue. From an engineering perspective it makes more sense than a cue butt joined together with a pin.

However, the SW unmistakably offers a more pleasing hit. Of course hit is a subjective thing, but seldom does a good player hit one of my two SW's without commenting on its hit and even asking if I'd like to sell it. So, if the pinned together butt is the answer to its exceptional feel, I wonder if there isn't a way to core, for its obvious benefits, yet preserve the resonance of a pinned SW?
 
What do you mean pinned?
Butts are sectional. Forearm bolted to the handle then the sleeve under the handle.
SW is no different. Cored cues are still pinned.
The other maker's cue hit soft b/c he has soft maple as a core in my opinion.
If you use coco or bocote for core, you'd get a harder hit.
 
JoeyInCali said:
What do you mean pinned?
Butts are sectional. Forearm bolted to the handle then the sleeve under the handle.
SW is no different. Cored cues are still pinned.
The other maker's cue hit soft b/c he has soft maple as a core in my opinion.
If you use coco or bocote for core, you'd get a harder hit.

I thought the advantage to coring, other than weight control, is that the butt does not have to be pinned. I thought the core ran most of the way through the butt. Is that not true?
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
If the cue has V groove points and is cored, the core will be interrupted at the A joint (where the forearm typically meets the wrap area).

If the cue has no points, or flat bottom/pantograph points (sometimes called CNC points), the core can be continuous from the joint to the butt of the cue.

Some makers core only part way through the forearm also.

Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense.

Any further thoughts on what gives a cue resonance?
 
tedkaufman said:
Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense.

Any further thoughts on what gives a cue resonance?

Every piece of material that's in a cue affects its resonance. Some more than others.

And as far a coring goes,since SW doesn't do this either, all of their cues have a different resonance from cue to cue, with the difference based on wood choice for the most part. Laurie said that Jerry's favorite playing wood was Goncola Alves, which is why a pretty decent percentage of SouthWest Cues use that wood. He must have like purpleheart as well. So, even Jerry knew back then that given his construction methods, different woods played differently.

Fred
 
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