corner pocket w/follow

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heister

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Question:

Why does the spin on a cue ball die when shooting at an OB sitting in front of a corner pocket?

Setup:

Let's say the OB is sticking out from the pocket by about half a ball, and you want to cut it in (with less than half ball hit) using top spin so that the cue ball rebounds off the cushion in the direction of mid table.

Problem:

The cue ball dies after hitting the cushion. Why? My guess is that the cue ball doesn't have time to grip the cloth to create spin. When it hits the cushion it behaves like it's been stunned. Now if that's the case... this is probably a common pitfall, and hopefully a common solution exists.

Thank you in advance for your insight.
 
heister said:
Question:

Why does the spin on a cue ball die when shooting at an OB sitting in front of a corner pocket?

Setup:

Let's say the OB is sticking out from the pocket by about half a ball, and you want to cut it in (with less than half ball hit) using top spin so that the cue ball rebounds off the cushion in the direction of mid table.

Problem:

The cue ball dies after hitting the cushion. Why? My guess is that the cue ball doesn't have time to grip the cloth to create spin. When it hits the cushion it behaves like it's been stunned. Now if that's the case... this is probably a common pitfall, and hopefully a common solution exists.

Thank you in advance for your insight.
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the follow is catching and stopping the cb from going where you want it to. use less follow. more center ball lets the cb rebound
 
What is happening here is you are probably shooting with too much force. The cue ball has top spin or follow as it hits the cushion. With enough force, the cue ball actually jumps up and hits the table again, only now, since the ballis moving in the opposite direction, that follow spin has now become back spin.

Set that shot up and play with it. If you really juice up the shot, it's possible for the cue ball to hit the cushion, bounce out, and then return to hit the same rail again. Although somewhat counter intuitive, you can shoot the same shot with draw, and see it come flying back to you after it hits the cushion.

Good question!

Steve
 
Newer cloth equals less friction. We use that shot for shape quite often.

The rail dosen't take the top spin completely off the cue ball so the cue ball spins right back into the rail....SPF=randyg
 
even tho the CB has changed directions upon hitting the rail, the direction the CB originally spinning was maintained...so its acts like a masse shot where your straight up in the air, drawing the CB back toward the rail with the spin which overcomes the rolling momentum of the CB

likes been said once you know it, its a great shot to use to hold the CB for shape.


to get the CB to come back either hit the OB thinner, use less follow, or hit it center ball/draw...

when hitting center ball and draw know that the thicker you hit the OB the more angle your going to get when using that draw over follow or center....
 
heister said:
Question:

Why does the spin on a cue ball die when shooting at an OB sitting in front of a corner pocket?

Setup:

Let's say the OB is sticking out from the pocket by about half a ball, and you want to cut it in (with less than half ball hit) using top spin so that the cue ball rebounds off the cushion in the direction of mid table.

Problem:

The cue ball dies after hitting the cushion. Why? My guess is that the cue ball doesn't have time to grip the cloth to create spin. When it hits the cushion it behaves like it's been stunned. Now if that's the case... this is probably a common pitfall, and hopefully a common solution exists.

Thank you in advance for your insight.
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The other replies already went over why this happens (top spin pushes the cueball back into the rail after a short rebound) but I'd like to add that this is a great sign of an "unschooled" player, and knowing how to get out of this shot is a good step of getting out of the D and C levels.

Take a look at Bert Kinister's tape "It's a Hanger", he goes over moving the cueball from situations such as this. The short answer is to not use follow on that shot most of the time, you hit it with speed and spin to go 2-3-4 rails for shape around the table. The contact point of the ball is very important here (how full you hit the object ball) as it will throw off your position by a lot.

Volume 30 "ITS A HANGER"
Teaches how to control the cue ball to anywhere on the table with an object ball hanging in the pocket.
 
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