Correction: balls do "rattle" in my pockets, but they don't "wobble"

His Boy Elroy

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Correction: balls do "rattle" in my pockets, but they don't "wobble"

Last week I started a thread titled "I love the pockets on my Gold Crown IV" I proceeded to inform the forum that I purchased a used GC 14 months ago and had the sub rails extended and the pockets tightened to 4-3/8" by a highly respected Chicago area mechanic named Jerimy Chambers.

I further proceeded to inform the forum that balls did not "rattle in these pockets ; rather, the ball would either decisively drop, or be firmly rejected.

I then asked the forum if these " rattle-less" pockets were a new advancement in the evolution of pool tables.

There are 52,543 members in AZ. 52,540 of those members did not reply.

Please be patient as I attempt to clarify that which must have been bewildering to a few
Five things happen when I shoot: ( At least when I don't miss by a mile)
1: The ball goes straight in without hitting a facing.
2:The OB hits the facing and drops without hitting the other facing.
3:The OB hits the point somewhat on the "inner" side and hits the opposite point on the inner side, after which it drops.
4:The OB hits the point somewhat on the inner side, hits the opposite point somewhat on the inner side, then hits the facing on the 1st side, after which it drops.
5:The OB hits the point "Flush." It then hits the opposite point, comes back and hits the first point, and is then sent towards the center of the table. Depending on the speed of the shot, it can be sent a millimeter, or it can a be sent all the way to the center of the table.

Occasionaly, but rarely, does anything happen which deviates from the 5 happenings described.

What I should have said in my first thread, is that I have pockets that don't allow for ANY WOBBLING, and asked if this was a new development in the evolution of pool tables.
 
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hang-the-9

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So the guy angled and cut the rails and facings properly, you have a not too deep shelf and your rails play correctly. It's a rarity in pool setup I'd agree. Many tables I've played on reject a shot down the rail at anything over 30% speed especially with draw. Or pop balls out of perfectly center pocket hits when they hit the back leather.

Now you just need two more replies, and post this about 17,000 more times at 3 replies a pop to get everyone to reply to you! Realistically though there are not nearly 52,543 members that post now, some are not alive anymore, some only have ever had a few posts, but since this does not stop vote counts in some places you still have a chance.
 
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RoadHustler

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I am glad you like your table a good mechanic is worth his/her weight in good stuff.

I replied check me off the list please. 🎱

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phil dade

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You are fortunate and hang-the-9 nailed it. My centennial is being redone now for just the reasons hang-the-9 described.

There is dicussion early on in Eddie Robbins book, Wining One Pocket,were he discusses tables. The cut of the angle of the pockets at 4 5/8 tends to spit balls out or rattle more. Coupled with an irregular cut or bow in the facing and you have shake rattle and roll as hang-the-9 described. The angle of the pocket narrows at 4 1/2 and narrower so the angle does not push the balls out.

I hope I said this correctly to reflect what I have read and been told by Mark Gregory. If I have misunderstood, correct me because I too want to know. I should be up and running this weekend.
 

thekaiserman

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don't celebrate too soon, with new cloth the pockets won't rattle at first. give it time as the cloth ages the pockets will start to reject balls hit at more than pocket speed.
at least that has been my experience on my GC III with those size pockets.:thumbup:
 
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Mikjary

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I have 4 inch pockets and the balls get rejected unless they're hit well. BTW, didn't see your first thread. :)

Best,
Mike
 

hang-the-9

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What's the difference between rattling and wobbling?

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bdorman

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Six down, 52,534 to go (PJ's reply doesn't count, as it was a question, not an answer).

As you tighten the pocket size you decrease the angle between the point and the pocket-drop. Since you've decreased that angle on both sides of the pocket, balls will tend to bounce toward the pocket rather than away from it. Therefore "rattlers" are more apt to fall and less likely to spit out.

I don't know about wobblers. It's probably something in your fundamentals.
 

fastone371

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I did not see your first post either.
I had my rails done by Josh at Club Billiards. 4 1/2" pockets with Artemis cushions. I think my table plays well, on a well hit ball the ball goes in without a problem, if you hit a rail on the way to the pocket at speed the ball rattles and gets rejected. You can shoot straight down the rail at well over pocket speed and a well hit ball drops. The only time they sit in the jaws is on a slow poorly hit shot.
 
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