Crazy Butt Serious: Can you Adapt to a Warped Shaft?

Althair

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Greetings. I recently acquired a 1997 Joss A22 pool cue on eBay and had it refinished by Joss. I am pretty certain that as things turned out I paid way too much for the cue, which some of you might say has no value beyond as a display piece. I should have recognized that the AI generated description on eBay was about Joss cues in general and didn't mention any specific flaws. The cue is seriously warped, shaft and butt. Turns out I could have returned it based on "not as described" but I did not realize that initially. And I had always planned to replace the shaft and refinish the butt. Some I shipped the butt to Joss and it came back quickly looking brand new. And I am not going to let overpaying get me down...just accept what happened and enjoy the cue. But that gets to the real question: Can I play precision pool with a warped cue butt?

I own a few fine cues and an 8' table, so I can play with a dead straight cue at the pool hall and use this Joss at home. However, I intend to compete against myself in various games and drills using this cue versus its straighter brothers and see if my game is worse with the A22 or essentially unchanged.

Rolled on the table the cue will always come to rest with the Joss Bridge Hand Logo facing directly towards me or away from me. This tells me that if I keep the logo facing straight up or down, the warp should not affect left or right tip placement. I do wonder if draw or follow might be affected, but I am curious about how much a warp 45" away from the tip actually changes the point of contact during the final stroke.

I do find having to glance at the butt to be sure the logo is up an added step and also worry about needing to apply chalk diligently as the same vertical axis of the tip will be contacting the ball and losing chalk. Perhaps in time the tip will wear unevenly but I can shape the tip to cancel that effect.

Stephen Janes told me Joss didn't make many of these A22 cues. It was near the top of the line in 1997 and I could not have afforded it back then. Personally, I find it more beautiful than its two or three more expensive siblings in the catalog. But it essentially a museum piece at this point? Anyone else play with a warped cue that they love despite its quirks?
 

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Shoot one handed. Oops almost forgot the 🤷‍♂️
Simple!
The upside is that you have an excuse.
Don't over think was my Father's early coaching. Well he said, "if it feels good do it." Oh yeah and that's followed by, "When it hurts, quit ". There see no shrug.....th....
 
I would say tha hard part is to quit thinking about it. If it's mild and you lent the cue to someone else to shoot, they would probably play fine with it till you told them about it.
You really haven't said how non straight it s, is it the butt or shaft, or is it the joint. I mean you did play with it for a bit and didn't notice it for awhile, so it can't be that bad.
 
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it is real easy although takes time and you can un warp most any shaft. there are multiple ways of doing it and you may as well try. ive done it over the years with lots of shafts and only found one that kept coming back to its partially warped state.

hanging with weight, heat, and just putting a stack of books on it may work as well.

manwon one of our best posters did a video on how to do it his way.
 
Warped?.. good for shooting around corners.
Seriously most of the house cues we played with were warped. Not a big deal. Especially for recreational casual informal players. My favorite Meucci M04 from 1979 is warped. It plays fine

it is real easy although takes time and you can un warp most any shaft. there are multiple ways of doing it and you may as well try. ive done it over the years with lots of shafts and only found one that kept coming back to its partially warped state.

hanging with weight, heat, and just putting a stack of books on it may work as well.

manwon one of our best posters did a video on how to do it his way.
Well moisture content of the wood is a variable that can facilitate bending wood.
I currently have a 1×12 pine board on a moisture high outdoor carpet that I have weights on. Well turned it daily as in that time here in Arizona sun it moves many inches in a short time.
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Butt seriously, Don't try this at home. Wink 😉 well unless you have understand ing.
I once told a friend how I used moisture to raise a dent in the shaft. (A couple of methods.) Small ones got spit and a brisk rub. More serious ones I held over the steam vent of the electric skillit.
His shaft had so many dents his logic told him to just soak it in the bathtub. Eek he ended up with a display piece shaft that would have pleased the 3 stooges. Raising dents is basic, bending shafts is advanced and definitely requires knowledge. Experience is a un compromised method of learning.
 
Greetings. I recently acquired a 1997 Joss A22 pool cue on eBay and had it refinished by Joss. I am pretty certain that as things turned out I paid way too much for the cue, which some of you might say has no value beyond as a display piece. I should have recognized that the AI generated description on eBay was about Joss cues in general and didn't mention any specific flaws. The cue is seriously warped, shaft and butt. Turns out I could have returned it based on "not as described" but I did not realize that initially. And I had always planned to replace the shaft and refinish the butt. Some I shipped the butt to Joss and it came back quickly looking brand new. And I am not going to let overpaying get me down...just accept what happened and enjoy the cue. But that gets to the real question: Can I play precision pool with a warped cue butt?

I own a few fine cues and an 8' table, so I can play with a dead straight cue at the pool hall and use this Joss at home. However, I intend to compete against myself in various games and drills using this cue versus its straighter brothers and see if my game is worse with the A22 or essentially unchanged.

Rolled on the table the cue will always come to rest with the Joss Bridge Hand Logo facing directly towards me or away from me. This tells me that if I keep the logo facing straight up or down, the warp should not affect left or right tip placement. I do wonder if draw or follow might be affected, but I am curious about how much a warp 45" away from the tip actually changes the point of contact during the final stroke.

I do find having to glance at the butt to be sure the logo is up an added step and also worry about needing to apply chalk diligently as the same vertical axis of the tip will be contacting the ball and losing chalk. Perhaps in time the tip will wear unevenly but I can shape the tip to cancel that effect.

Stephen Janes told me Joss didn't make many of these A22 cues. It was near the top of the line in 1997 and I could not have afforded it back then. Personally, I find it more beautiful than its two or three more expensive siblings in the catalog. But it essentially a museum piece at this point? Anyone else play with a warped cue that they love despite its quirks?
I would pick out and mark the top of the cue when it's straight and warped up or down and line up with the mark when shooting. I've done that with shafts that had a good waggle, mentally it takes some of the stress of being bent left or right.
 
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My old Adam had a warp in the last inches.
On the butt, it had a logo.
If I placed the logo at exactly 10:00, the warp would be upward.
I adjusted to that and could beat lots of bar players.
I could hand them my cue and they couldn't make a decent shot.

Can you adjust? YES!

Someone stole that cue and if I knew who, I'd kick them in both nuts.
 
My old Adam had a warp in the last inches.
On the butt, it had a logo.
If I placed the logo at exactly 10:00, the warp would be upward.
I adjusted to that and could beat lots of bar players.
I could hand them my cue and they couldn't make a decent shot.

Can you adjust? YES!

Someone stole that cue and if I knew who, I'd kick them in both nuts.


When I grab a bar cue I check the tip shape and the weight/balance point. If it has a "shaft taper" I will pay attention to where it's at and usually have the tip pointing "up".
 
I HAVE POSTED THIS BEFORE My High run was done with a warped Butt with a warped Shaft, due to having a long stroke once I started to notice the tip/ferrule turn as I was striking the cue ball I decided to destroy the Cue. I never roll my cue with mid cue extension on the table because I know what it would look like and it would bother my mental game. But to answer you yes you can run many balls with it
 
Greetings. I recently acquired a 1997 Joss A22 pool cue on eBay and had it refinished by Joss. I am pretty certain that as things turned out I paid way too much for the cue, which some of you might say has no value beyond as a display piece. I should have recognized that the AI generated description on eBay was about Joss cues in general and didn't mention any specific flaws. The cue is seriously warped, shaft and butt. Turns out I could have returned it based on "not as described" but I did not realize that initially. And I had always planned to replace the shaft and refinish the butt. Some I shipped the butt to Joss and it came back quickly looking brand new. And I am not going to let overpaying get me down...just accept what happened and enjoy the cue. But that gets to the real question: Can I play precision pool with a warped cue butt?

I own a few fine cues and an 8' table, so I can play with a dead straight cue at the pool hall and use this Joss at home. However, I intend to compete against myself in various games and drills using this cue versus its straighter brothers and see if my game is worse with the A22 or essentially unchanged.

Rolled on the table the cue will always come to rest with the Joss Bridge Hand Logo facing directly towards me or away from me. This tells me that if I keep the logo facing straight up or down, the warp should not affect left or right tip placement. I do wonder if draw or follow might be affected, but I am curious about how much a warp 45" away from the tip actually changes the point of contact during the final stroke.

I do find having to glance at the butt to be sure the logo is up an added step and also worry about needing to apply chalk diligently as the same vertical axis of the tip will be contacting the ball and losing chalk. Perhaps in time the tip will wear unevenly but I can shape the tip to cancel that effect.

Stephen Janes told me Joss didn't make many of these A22 cues. It was near the top of the line in 1997 and I could not have afforded it back then. Personally, I find it more beautiful than its two or three more expensive siblings in the catalog. But it essentially a museum piece at this point? Anyone else play with a warped cue that they love despite its quirks?
Nice wand!!
Did Stephen say who made them?? My impression was Joss doesn't outsource.
I'd be very interested to know who did, if that's factual. TIA👍🏻
I haven't read thru the comments yet, so let me go ahead and make an ass out of myself by saying what 3 or 4 others already have. Yes, you can play well with that cue.
Incorporate the quirks into your psr and fuggedaboutit.
Go play well.
I had an older Joss with an S warp in the butt. Didn't even know it until I sent it in for refinish. Stephen said it was so bad he sent it back to me saying don't waste your money. He wouldn't refinish the cue. I suck anyway, so it may have helped me, playing with that crooked stick.😁
 
I would say tha hard part is to quit thinking about it. If it's mild and you lent the cue to someone else to shoot, they would probably play fine with it till you told them about it.
You really haven't said how non straight it s, is it the butt or shaft, or is it the joint. I mean you did play with it for a bit and didn't notice it for awhile, so it can't be that bad.
Exactly!!!
 
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