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Justin Bergman said:
The only shot I see to make it is to shoot off the side pocket point.
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That's one way. Another way already stated is a full masse' where you shoot the cb towards the center of the table and it reverses and comes back and makes the ob. (Him being a trick shot champ, he surely knows that shot quite well).

Another way is just to shoot at a 45 degree angle with a regular stroke. The ob will drop. The cb and ob are frozen, so you can shoot right through with a normal stroke.
 
peppersauce said:
I tried to set the shot up on my home table, but my pockets are too tight to replicate the shot in question. I was able to make it and get shape with a masse' stroke,as indicated, but with the ob just barely inside the point.

I still want to go to the pool room and try it in a more realistic situation on the Diamond table, but I'm in no shape to drive. :frown:
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I can't set it up on my table either. Can't get two balls in the pocket opening.
 
acedonkeyace said:
What I saw is when he shoots to the inside point, he is compressing the rail just enough to cause separation between th cue ball and the object ball, then the cueball came back and hit it now not frozen object ball and the 'bunny-hop or kick back off the object ball caused the cue ball to re catch a rail where it originally had been frozen too. Rememer you can compress a rail quite a bit when you are frozen to it. But you have to hit in a solid stroke with confidence since you are hitting at the very top of the cueball, there is a higher chance or a miscue taking place but I don't believe for a second that what happened here was an 'intentional' miscue, I just think he skimmed over the top of the cueball to avoid a double hit on the cueball.

I think the call by the referee was spot on, if you see and look at the balls and think of the mechanics of how he shot the ball.

If you had HIGH SPEED cameras recording this, if you were focused on the cueball and object ball, just as he hit over the top into the rail, you would see just for a split second a gap appear between the cueball and the object ball as he compresses the cueball into the inside of the rail.

What do you think??

Respectfully, REMEMBER EVERYONE, Respectfully, this is just my opinion,

Please respond with respect,

Thanks,

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy:thumbup:
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I'm pretty sure this is exactly why I applauded the ref.


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I think this is a bad call, definitely a foul.
Even the shooter steps forward to pick the cue ball up, then ref says good hit.
 
It's a foul 100 percent. I'm not sure if it would be possible to make a good hit the way he shot it unless he made the ball & it looked impossible to make it going that way. IMO it was the wrong shot. I think best chance at making it would be going of the point of the side pocket opposite of the ball.
 
It seems like a bad hit to me.

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I definitely would not enjoy the ref on this one, I think he made the right choice. Nor was it an intentional miscue, Everything was frozen together, separation happened when he hit the rail first.

The ball then returned to the OB, rebounded again and ended up out of the pocket off the rail.

So contact was made. And if contact was made, the cue ball had to hit a rail to end up where it did.
 

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Yes, the cb left the ob. However, it did not leave the rail before returning to hit the ob again! There is no way it could have.Which is the requirement. As to it not being an intentional miscue, if that isn't one, they might as well take that rule right out of the book. How does one hit the cb in a way that has to result in a miscue, do it on purpose, and not have an intentional miscue??
 
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