PJ, watch it again as I just did. The cue ball doesn't lie to how it was hit. There is a slight angle to the shot and the cue ball rolls slightly forward with no sidespin on it which makes his shot on the 9 ball much tougher. The measles on the cue ball are not spinning left which it would be if he hit the shot with left spin, as you say. He tried to hit a dead stop shot and he got a couple of inches of follow out of the shot. It is hard to tell how he hit the ball on the last stroke but it is easy to tell how the cue ball was struck after contact with the object ball. It is obvious and you are obviously wrong.
CTE Aiming Video
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Hello,
Well this just gets better and better. At first I commended those trying to help others, grow the sport and share information that could help those who struggle (with the whole pot 10million balls shit). I now say *$@k it, who gives a shit. I know CTE works and works extremely well, I give a shit if P.J. or the ASS Men have a clue. I know it's tough for some of these guys who have been playing for 15, 25 and even, what was it, 50 years and have someone like me who's only been playing for a few, pot balls almost/ just as good/ or possibly better then them. I have taken Colin's potting test and was like 6 balls from an A shooter and I know I can achieve better results and quickly. Some of us know CTE works and I now actually wish we will be the only ones! I stumbled on the system through instruction and maybe that's the way it should be. If someone is tired of the whole "just see and feel the shot - for years, then you'll get it", will find it. I did.
These threads can be entertaining, however the negative comments may deter individuals from learing info that may really help....wait a minute, then that would be fair and they can spend the years and years potting their 100milllion mutha flipin balls. LOL what a joke! Good, the jaded ASS Boys are correct, CTE is a cruel joke of the mind and doesn't work at all!
What a barrel of laughs.....it is to pot balls.
J.W.
Well this just gets better and better. At first I commended those trying to help others, grow the sport and share information that could help those who struggle (with the whole pot 10million balls shit). I now say *$@k it, who gives a shit. I know CTE works and works extremely well, I give a shit if P.J. or the ASS Men have a clue. I know it's tough for some of these guys who have been playing for 15, 25 and even, what was it, 50 years and have someone like me who's only been playing for a few, pot balls almost/ just as good/ or possibly better then them. I have taken Colin's potting test and was like 6 balls from an A shooter and I know I can achieve better results and quickly. Some of us know CTE works and I now actually wish we will be the only ones! I stumbled on the system through instruction and maybe that's the way it should be. If someone is tired of the whole "just see and feel the shot - for years, then you'll get it", will find it. I did.
These threads can be entertaining, however the negative comments may deter individuals from learing info that may really help....wait a minute, then that would be fair and they can spend the years and years potting their 100milllion mutha flipin balls. LOL what a joke! Good, the jaded ASS Boys are correct, CTE is a cruel joke of the mind and doesn't work at all!
What a barrel of laughs.....it is to pot balls.
J.W.
That ball absolutely has left spin on it. Do you guys really think it has to be spiining fast for throw to happen? Just a hair off center will make the OB go the opposite direction at least a whole line over... It does not take much... Half tip of center will easily throw the CB off its expected path... That is EXACTLY what FB is doing. TO anybody who has come along way in this game, they can see it. You guys should take a step back and try to prove me right instead of wrong. You never know where it will take you...
Again, I am not saying FB does not use a CTE system. maybe he does. But that shot has NOTHING to do with ball pocketing. It has everything to do with trying to hold the CB for the 9. If any of you absolutely think I am wrong; I hope we get to play some someday... And we can bet all you can carry...
It is what it is and if you can't see it - you are just another B player with dreams of being an A player.
Now does your system work? I'm sure it can. Given enough understanding and adjustments, any system can produce results. This system is just not the best out there. And my advice is - learn all you can from it but keep an open mind and allow yourself to move on someday. I think it takes a rare person to master CTE and take it to the "A" level...
I never watched FBs mechanics before. I think I'll keep an eye out and see if I can learn anything from his style now. if he uses it at his level, its certainly going to be educational to understand.
Again, I am not saying FB does not use a CTE system. maybe he does. But that shot has NOTHING to do with ball pocketing. It has everything to do with trying to hold the CB for the 9. If any of you absolutely think I am wrong; I hope we get to play some someday... And we can bet all you can carry...
It is what it is and if you can't see it - you are just another B player with dreams of being an A player.
Now does your system work? I'm sure it can. Given enough understanding and adjustments, any system can produce results. This system is just not the best out there. And my advice is - learn all you can from it but keep an open mind and allow yourself to move on someday. I think it takes a rare person to master CTE and take it to the "A" level...
I never watched FBs mechanics before. I think I'll keep an eye out and see if I can learn anything from his style now. if he uses it at his level, its certainly going to be educational to understand.
just watched your vid eezbank....without trawling right the way through this thread (as i do have a slight understanding of cte)....early on in the vid you show a half ball hit to be 45 degrees(center to edge) when in fact a half ball hit (center to edge) is 30 degrees without any pivots.
CaptiveBred said:
Maybe it did have left spin on it. But he clearly did not hit where he was practice stroking and that is an indication that he pivoted. There many videos that will show this. He doesn't have to pivot to center but to his english point. Watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbtMvF8QNro&feature=related
His stick on the left side of the cue ball then he pivots on the final stroke.
Magnetic North
I have been thinking about CTE, Pro One and other aiming systems including fractional aiming and have even discussed them with people who play far better than I do.
It is my belief that most of the better players have used some sort of "official" aiming system at one time or another. I remember Shane Van Boening coming to New Orleans many years ago and I asked him how do you aim at this shot and he said, "That's a quarter ball hit!". While he didn't go into any detail about fractional aiming systems, I think it can be assumed that Shane understood fractional aiming no matter who the source for that information was.
This is my own personal belief..... I think that as players develop their level of proficiency, they still utilize aiming systems but it is no longer a conscious effort. When they reach a certain level and I guess I will just call this the pro level, most of them simply "know" what is needed to pocket the object ball and to obtain shape. The conscious effort of sorting through aiming systems and references is now delegated to the omnipotent subconscious and all of their collective experiences.
Aiming systems work and work EXTREMELY WELL and while that is a relative term, you can ask any former D player who has learned CTE, Pro One, Ron V's Elvis move, aiming systems work extremely well. More accomplished players will from time to time give credit to aiming systems but they realize there is a lot more to playing perfect pool than having perfect alignment and productive aiming systems.
And I am also certain that MANY, IF NOT ALL, when the professional player finds themselves in a pressure situation, they most certainly search their memory banks for an "Aiming System(s)" to help them when their subconscious compass is void of a magnetic North.
JoeyA
I have been thinking about CTE, Pro One and other aiming systems including fractional aiming and have even discussed them with people who play far better than I do.
It is my belief that most of the better players have used some sort of "official" aiming system at one time or another. I remember Shane Van Boening coming to New Orleans many years ago and I asked him how do you aim at this shot and he said, "That's a quarter ball hit!". While he didn't go into any detail about fractional aiming systems, I think it can be assumed that Shane understood fractional aiming no matter who the source for that information was.
This is my own personal belief..... I think that as players develop their level of proficiency, they still utilize aiming systems but it is no longer a conscious effort. When they reach a certain level and I guess I will just call this the pro level, most of them simply "know" what is needed to pocket the object ball and to obtain shape. The conscious effort of sorting through aiming systems and references is now delegated to the omnipotent subconscious and all of their collective experiences.
Aiming systems work and work EXTREMELY WELL and while that is a relative term, you can ask any former D player who has learned CTE, Pro One, Ron V's Elvis move, aiming systems work extremely well. More accomplished players will from time to time give credit to aiming systems but they realize there is a lot more to playing perfect pool than having perfect alignment and productive aiming systems.
And I am also certain that MANY, IF NOT ALL, when the professional player finds themselves in a pressure situation, they most certainly search their memory banks for an "Aiming System(s)" to help them when their subconscious compass is void of a magnetic North.
JoeyA
I dont understand the purpose of the negitive post in this thread? This clearly is one of the best threads I have ever read on this site and the guys that are trying to explain the options u have, had the nuts to back up there words with videos for the world to see.
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eezbank said:In your opinion what is the next step up? Understanding the interactions of the balls. Once you do that, aiming systems take a back seat.
Which system is the best out there? I studied many over the years. The easiest to understand and execute was a fractional system. It was the easiest to adjust for and was the first to explain everything. All the other systems just could not account for every variable without having to add alot of "special case" knowledge. Fractional was like simple math. Plus or minus from the initial spot depending on variables. It made the most sense to me.
Maybe you can post a video so we can see how your method works? I no longer use a system. I just pocket balls now. I am a pretty good shot maker after 20 years (I'm a slow learner) And no, I will only show my kids my secrets. But, I have seen one other system that was very close to mine. It was not JoeT's. I can't remember who... I just remember being upset that something I thought only I knew was made public
I'll keep an open mind as I'm sure the az communtity will if you get the time to put your info out there for us to try. The info I put out is more than I ever wanted to. Pool is too competitive to share secrets
Thanks
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devindra said:
Again, Devindra; Maybe he is using CTE. I don't know. What I do know is that shot was about trying to hold the CB. Maybe its a coincidence that a little left to hold it just happend to be what was needed for your CTE system /shrug
As far as his warm up strokes. How about Danny Basavich? He never hits where he aims. Some guys do strange stuff... There are many others too. I would not jump out and say its their system without further studying it. I just don't know.
I guess I just find it hard to believe that a world class player would use such an obscure system. To my knowledge, all world class players can make any shot with any variable. With that ability, why not shoot the ball in the way to get out the most secure way? Maybe a couple CTEs with three center balls, and toss in a couple feel shots to win.... Why not use all the tools. FB clearly has a full tool box. If he does not then he is one of the rare people who took obscurity to the top level... I just don't belive that.
CaptiveBred said:
Try to follow along, Divindra.
devindra said:
I believe you if all you want to do is pocket the ball.
But, it is IMPOSSIBLE to apply any speed, spin, angle, or distance. If you just want to make the ball, great... But if you want to get position or cheat a pocket, you MUST hit the ball in different spots. That equates to "adjustments".
If FB uses CTE, I will guarantee you he makes adjustments depending on the situation. He absolutely has too. Many shots out there have a few different contact points. Some times you even have to aim on the complete opposite side of the ball when alot of spin is required. Even the deflection of a shaft will require an adjustment. Surely you must be capable of understanding this.
If you really think that then you are not a very strong player. I would lump you into the group of - rarely gonna get out in one inning and will ALWAYS make a mistake and leave me control of the table. You may have flashes of greatness but WILL NEVER get much further if you lack the general understanding of how the balls interact. Its not magic, its physics and simple tests will confirm adjustments are required for ANY SYSTEM EVER INVENTED.
Now you finally admit that these systems work. When you want to cheat the pocket all you have to do is make an adjustment with the center 2 edge line and pivot and the ball goes in. Depending on how you adjusted the center 2 edge line will determine which side of the pocket it will go in.
For spin it is a different story. You either can apply back hand english or buy a low deflection shaft.
For spin it is a different story. You either can apply back hand english or buy a low deflection shaft.
now you say there is adjustmants? lol
I think I will move on...
I think I will move on...