CTE and TOI

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Real CTE takes in to account the effects of throw. In CTE PRO ONE, center cue ball represents a slight over cut which IMO is superior to a center pocket aim. This aspect of CTE takes the concept of center cue ball to a new level.

Also, center cue ball for real CTE absolutely connects with the geometry of a regulation table.

There will be MUCH info concerning the above assertions when my new DVD is released.

Concerning TOI, CTE already places the shooter into a slight over cut that maximizes the pocket and to boot, systematically connects with table geometry.

If I were to use TOI directly from a CTE CCB reference then the possibility of missing the entire pocket exist.

I do use the TOI technique within the context of CTE from time to time but I recognize where I am with CTE CCB. This is important to know if you use real CTE.

Spin or off center hits of any kind are IFFY and do not connect to table geometry.
Center cue ball has always been a major positive of this game. And when CCB is combined with real CTE the results are superior to any other method of aim.

As I said, this info will be presented in my new DVD.

For those that are skeptical " or not" concerning real CTE, please know that once I announce my DVD release, I will be happy to share with you at my teaching facility my new findings. YES, that is right, I will share my new discoveries with those that would like to see real CTE first-hand. And, of course, you are then free to post on AZ your observations. I can explain and demo what I speak about......

My work with CTE is complete!

Thanks to all that have supported my work over past 6-8 years.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Looking forward to the new DVD !

Stan, will you be at the derby city tournament ? Would love to get some additional instruction if you are there during that two weeks.
 
Yoda4962 said:
Stan, will you be at the derby city tournament ? Would love to get some additional instruction if you are there during that two weeks.
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I am unsure at this time about DCC. I will shoot you a PM if I do attend. Would be great to meet you. I appreciate your interest and support for CTE PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett
 
Mr. Shuffet.

This is going to sound like a dumb question. So... please keep in mind that I have only toyed with CTE but became a bit intrigued with it.

By your initial post of CTE / TOI it seems that CTE will not work well with TOI & based on the 'overcut' for CIT it seems that it would not work well with outside english either. I can not believe these to be true as one would then be a 'slave' to the 'natural' tangent line except for high or low modifications.

I think I have a question in there some where.:wink:

Oh, Is that correct? I hope not.

Best Wishes & Regards,
 
ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Shuffet.

This is going to sound like a dumb question. So... please keep in mind that I have only toyed with CTE but became a bit intrigued with it.

By your initial post of CTE / TOI it seems that CTE will not work well with TOI & based on the 'overcut' for CIT it seems that it would not work well with outside english either. I can not believe these to be true as one would then be a 'slave' to the 'natural' tangent line except for high or low modifications.

I think I have a question in there some where.:wink:

Oh, Is that correct? I hope not.

Best Wishes & Regards,
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CTE is what it is. Real CTE takes the player to a slight over cut.
Yes, A TOI from that position is not desirable.
However, the adjustment for a TOI is simple from CTE CCB knowledge.

Spin is the number 1 culprit for all miss balls IMO.
A slight amount of outside spin with BHE or an angled cue is very friendly to CTE PRO ONE.

The bottom line is that off-center hits do change something however minute the adjustment might be. Pockets are, let's say, twice the size of an OB, so there is a little room to use spin as needed.
But my advice is, avoid it when It's not necessary.

Hope this helps.

Stan Shuffett
 
JE54 said:
Stan, definetly will be getting the new dvd.
What is TOI ?
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Thanks, JE54!

TOI is:
C J Wiley's connection technique using a touch of inside for pocketing balls. Also used as CB positional strategy.
SEE MAIN FORUM OR DO A SEARCH FOR MORE INFO.
 
stan shuffett said:
Thanks, JE54!

TOI is:
C J Wiley's connection technique using a touch of inside for pocketing balls. Also used as CB positional strategy.
SEE MAIN FORUM OR DO A SEARCH FOR MORE INFO.
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That is one big problem with this forum, you cannot do three-letter searches so things like "CTE" and "TOI" result in nothing.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Shuffet.

This is going to sound like a dumb question. So... please keep in mind that I have only toyed with CTE but became a bit intrigued with it.

By your initial post of CTE / TOI it seems that CTE will not work well with TOI & based on the 'overcut' for CIT it seems that it would not work well with outside english either. I can not believe these to be true as one would then be a 'slave' to the 'natural' tangent line except for high or low modifications.

I think I have a question in there some where.:wink:

Oh, Is that correct? I hope not.

Best Wishes & Regards,
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CTE or any aiming system for that matter is based on the vertical axis. Once you leave the vertical axis, you're outside of the gamut of the system.

This is usually the part where a ton of guys jump in and say "Well, if you can't use CTE with english it's worthless, etc, etc."

That's not the case at all. Of course you can use CTE with english (EVERYONE uses english), it's just that once english is applied, you're not within the confines of the system. When using english w/ CTE, you're applying english from a center pocket baseline.

Depending on the shaft, amount of english used, english method (BHE, etc), stroke speed,etc, all must be accounted for and adjusted for in your application of english--- this is true no matter how one plays. The only difference is doing the above with CTE allows you to adjust from an objective pocketing solution, which makes that adjustment that much easier.

Therefore, based on what you said-- your assumption is not really correct. TOI is based on a straight cue and creating slight deflection to alter the CB path to the OB (you're not really using BHE to get your tip to the TOI point). Creating deflection to the outside to an already slight overcut position results in exactly what Stan said. So you can't equate TOI/CTE compatibility to CTE/ENGLISH compatibility -- the two are totally different.

I hope that makes sense. TOI, english and the application of each to CTE are totally different within the context of your post.
 
Mr Spider,

Thanks.

I certainly understand the difference between the application of & the different effects of TOI & outside english. I also understand the guidelines for makig adjustment for results as you say form a center pocket.

You stated them all well & I apprciate your time & effort & understand that you are one of the 'men' to go to for a CTE question so, here's why I made the post with the question.

I thought Mr. Shuffett said that CTE took into consideration colission induce throw which would mean that it is set up for at least a slight overcut than the center pocket line.

If so that would not be readily conducive to either TOI or outside english.

I am not trying to be argumantative as I am intrigued with CTE from just my breif experimentation with it. I am just trying to fully understnd & get a more clear picture.

If it is as Stan said then it would more readily be conducive to inside englih but would require a rather more quantitive adjudtment for TOI & outside english. Am I over thinking it or am I overly 'concerned'?

Hell, can I say hell on AZB, if I pocket every ball with CTE I would probably never need TOI or any english. I'm sure i'm disaplined enough to play that way.:wink:
 
More TOI info

I do not recommend TOI with CTE.
Real CTE CCB takes me to a slight over cut.
Real CTE takes me to the shot by system.
CTE has zero to do with throwing balls into the pocket.

CCB is HUGE with CTE!!

CCB for CTE means You can be confident in CCB because of the geometry.
Steering is all but eliminated once you are proficient with CTE.
With CTE, the focus switches to CCB, truly away from the distortions the OB can present.

Having said all of that, IT is simple to adjust for spin as needed but when CCB connects me to the pockets, I avoid spin when possible which is most of the time.

Real CTE will allow anyone to dial in on CCB hits because that's how you get the OB in the pocket objectively.

Real CTE can straighten your stroke.

Stan Shuffett
 
Hi Stan,

Is "Real CTE" something different than DVD #1, or just a new term for it? Also when approaching a bank shot, is the outside spin still valid that is discussed in DVD #1?

Thanks!
 
mohrt said:
Hi Stan,

Is "Real CTE" something different than DVD #1, or just a new term for it? Also when approaching a bank shot, is the outside spin still valid that is discussed in DVD #1?

Thanks!
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Yes sir, CTE PRO ONE is REAL CTE. Why? Real CTE connects you with table geometry, systematically and without gaps. There's are other aspects as well that will be covered. All shots go with CTE. 2 visuals and 1 consistent rotation to CCB.

What is not real CTE is just see a CTE LINE and calling that CTE as if it is something special. I did that for a time and knew it had gaps and inconsistencies. I have worked on this for a few years. You will find no gaps in CTE PRO ONE once you learn it.

Banks:

The same visuals and pivot info.

You get a slight over cut with your initial angle.

Next, You must factor Cb OB interaction.

So, SPEED becomes extremely important.

Then, Spin can be a factor if angle and speed do not solve the bank.

Ultimately, banks are iffy but real CTE deals with banks quite accurately with proper speed and sometimes the use of spin.

Stan Shuffett
 
I have been a REAL CTE user for about 6 years now. I am 110% sure that REAL CTE will and is going to change this game for the better. You can Bet your sweet a** on that! :) and the people that have known my betting % know that I haven't booked very many losers.

It's like Stan mentioned REAL CTE will straighten your stroke. It puts your eyes in the right position to put your body there as well. In other words. Real CTE allows you to build your body around a straight stroke instead of steering the cue at the cue ball. It will take work! Most people jus like me played on feel their whole lives steering the cue. No Moore! :) this is s**t's about to get fun! Good luck to all!

Hail to you Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett for working your a** off to further this game we all enjoy and some of us LOVE!


Stevie "BLADE" Moore
 
BLADE said:
I have been a REAL CTE user for about 6 years now. I am 110% sure that REAL CTE will and is going to change this game for the better. You can Bet your sweet a** on that! :) and the people that have known my betting % know that I haven't booked very many losers.

It's like Stan mentioned REAL CTE will straighten your stroke. It puts your eyes in the right position to put your body there as well. In other words. Real CTE allows you to build your body around a straight stroke instead of steering the cue at the cue ball. It will take work! Most people jus like me played on feel their whole lives steering the cue. No Moore! :) this is s**t's about to get fun! Good luck to all!

Hail to you Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett for working your a** off to further this game we all enjoy and some of us LOVE!


Stevie "BLADE" Moore
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Hey Stevie,

Thanks!!!

I must pass the Hail on to Hal! Hal is the Main Man!

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
Hey Stevie,

Thanks!!!

I must pass the Hail on to Hal! Hal is the Main Man!

Stan Shuffett
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Maybe so. Although you have unlocked his system where no one and I repeat no one else did or even had the willingness or desire. You have unlocked the ultimate teaching aid to this game! With that being said!

Hail to the Master! Stan " The Man " Shuffett
 
It’d be nice if the proponents of this and similar systems would leaven some of their more outrageous claims with the admission that aiming systems are not for everyone and that in fact many players are better off without them.

No, a DVD is not going to change the game regardless of who’s ass is being bet, it is not going to straighten everyone’s stroke, it is not going to put everyone’s eyes in the right position, and it’s not going to work with english and elevation without some serious allowances and compensation on the part of the player. Perhaps it’s going to help some but given the history of this system it is probably not going to help everyone.

If the claims were just toned down so they didn’t sound like a 3am Kevin Trudeau commercial there might be some peace in the valley. But I’m guessing that would be too much to ask.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
It’d be nice if the proponents of this and similar systems would leaven some of their more outrageous claims with the admission that aiming systems are not for everyone and that in fact many players are better off without them.

No, a DVD is not going to change the game regardless of who’s ass is being bet, it is not going to straighten everyone’s stroke, it is not going to put everyone’s eyes in the right position, and it’s not going to work with english and elevation without some serious allowances and compensation on the part of the player. Perhaps it’s going to help some but given the history of this system it is probably not going to help everyone.

If the claims were just toned down so they didn’t sound like a 3am Kevin Trudeau commercial there might be some peace in the valley. But I’m guessing that would be too much to ask.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou,

I am happy to demo what I speak of. ( at DVD release time)

The game will change over time as a result of real CTE info. Thank you, Hal!

I have not intended to be out of proper tone. I am excited, though.
Excuse me for being enthusiastic about my work. I am looking forward to sharing Real CTE.

Happy New Year!

Stan Shuffett
 
Instead of just saying its gonna change the game over time, give examples.

How is it gonna change 14.1?
 
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