CTE (Center To Edge) or NOT

[JoeyA]

Don't really use an aiming system. I just eye ball it.

Mapman,
Do you know Dexter, sometimes known as the DC Rat?
JoeyA

 

[breakin8]

I do use cte. A good question is how do you play A+ A-A B+ . I would say im a A to B+ player and I dont mean in your bar league.

 

[Cornerman]

I guess I don't know what a CTE aimer is. Is that a Stan Shuffet thing?

Anyone who's watched me, talked to me on these boards, etc. knows that I'm a proponent of Hal Houle. Most of my aiming is based on several of the things he taught me. But, center-to-edge aiming is only one part. And honestly, I don't recall going over Center-to-Edge with Hal. Maybe it was already a given between us and we worked on other things.

So... I think you mean for someone like me to say "yes," but I don't want to. I'm a ball-to-ball relation aimer. I'm a pivoter. I'm a Houle proponent. I'm not a CTE aimer if that pigeon holes me or gives the wrong impression. I'm not a fractional aimer either.

Fred

 

[dgem]

Is center to edge the system taught in Ultimate Pool Secrets vol 3 by Cj Wiley?

 

[Pii]

It looks like one in three people use CTE. That surprises me. I would have guessed a lower percentage than that.

Anyway thanks for the votes.
JoeyA

It looks like a lot of people don't even know what it is. (and no one will explain it)
I watched some videos on it last night (at least I think that's what he was talking about) and still don't know what it is or how you "pivot"

One video the guy was showing how to pivot and he was off camera duh LOL

Is there no way to put this thing in writing?

 

[JoeyA]

I guess I don't know what a CTE aimer is. Is that a Stan Shuffet thing?

Anyone who's watched me, talked to me on these boards, etc. knows that I'm a proponent of Hal Houle. Most of my aiming is based on several of the things he taught me. But, center-to-edge aiming is only one part. And honestly, I don't recall going over Center-to-Edge with Hal. Maybe it was already a given between us and we worked on other things.

So... I think you mean for someone like me to say "yes," but I don't want to. I'm a ball-to-ball relation aimer. I'm a pivoter. I'm a Houle proponent. I'm not a CTE aimer if that pigeon holes me or gives the wrong impression. I'm not a fractional aimer either.

Fred

A Houlian, you don't say......

If you start your shot by aligning yourself with the Center of the Cue Ball to the Edge of the object ball, you use CTE.

If you don't know what CTE (Center to Edge) is, you don't use CTE.

Some square pegs fit in round holes. :grin-square:

I would be interested in knowing if you are a manual pivoter or an air pivoter and would love to know what you think your particular type of pivoting does for you.

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I do use cte. A good question is how do you play A+ A-A B+ . I would say im a A to B+ player and I dont mean in your bar league.

Pretty soon, the whole dang state of Pennysylvania will be using CTE.

JoeyA

 

[dgem]

It looks like a lot of people don't even know what it is?

I'm one of those people. However, I have an idea how it works, just not sure if it is the same system as what Cj wiley describes on his video. Cj wiley doesn't pivot when his down, although he might pivot before bending down on the shot.:smile:

 

[unknownpro]

Here is an article where dozens of pros talk about how they aim, and many of them were top 10 pros.
http://www.sfbilliards.com/PnB_aiming.pdf

Only two of the pros that are mentioned appear to use a form of CTE aiming. One is Efren, and the other is Nesli O'Hare, who happened to have been taught by Efren to use his system.

I did not count Sammy Jones because he only spoke of the two shots at the extreme ends of the spectrum, and many people that do not use any CTE happen to think of those two particular shots in the exact same way. I also did not count Ray Martin as a CTE guy because what he is talking about is seperating the cue ball into at least 32 parts (and possibly an infinite number), and only using one spot on the object ball that always remains the same (I would have to assume he is talking about the contact point). He posts here for time to time so maybe he will clarify if needed.

Although far from being complete, I think the sampling in the article was large enough to determine that only a small percentage of the pros use a CTE aiming method.

Efren's quote does not imply CTE at all to me. It does imply that when he is not using english, he is usually not aiming at the contact point because he says when using a lot of english he often aims at the contact point. His adjustment is for deflection and curve of the cueball, not for a center ball aim. From observation Efren always gets down in the right line and strokes straight through on the same line.

Bustamante on the other hand always lines up with his cue twisted doing some crazy sideways voodoo on everything. I can buy he is using a system, else he's just trying to screw with everybody.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Efren's quote does not imply CTE at all to me. It does imply that when he is not using english, he is usually not aiming at the contact point because he says when using a lot of english he often aims at the contact point. His adjustment is for deflection and curve of the cueball, not for a center ball aim. From observation Efren always gets down in the right line and strokes straight through on the same line.

Bustamante on the other hand always lines up with his cue twisted doing some crazy sideways voodoo on everything. I can buy he is using a system, else he's just trying to screw with everybody.

You may be right. I was not sure about it either with the limited description in the article, but I tried to give the benefit of the doubt for the purposes here and counted it. It may very well be that not one single pro uses CTE out of the dozens that they intervewed (the only other CTE possibility says she does exactly what Efren does).

 

[Pushout]

Some square pegs fit in round holes. :grin-square:

I would be interested in knowing if you are a manual pivoter or an air pivoter and would love to know what you think your particular type of pivoting does for you.

JoeyA

Jeez, Fred may not want to get that personal

 

[poolstar31]

I just aim and shoot and the ball goes in.
There is no deep pondering going on wondering what type of system i used to aim the ball.

Same here.

 

[Cornerman]

I've been out of the office, so sorry for responding late.

A Houlian, you don't say......

Ummm.... been saying it longer than most.

If you start your shot by aligning yourself with the Center of the Cue Ball to the Edge of the object ball, you use CTE.

If you don't know what CTE (Center to Edge) is, you don't use CTE.

Center to edge aiming has been around for a lot longer than Hal Houle, Ron V., or many others. Is Ron calling his system CTE?

Center to edge is a halfball hit. The Golden Angle, as it is called by Ralph. Of course we know what it is. And yes, I use it. But, as I said, I"m not a CTE user, if that somehow pigeon holes me into something that I"m not. I'm reading these threads as if there's only one way to use the Golden Angle. That'd be pretty sad.

I would be interested in knowing if you are a manual pivoter or an air pivoter

I don't know how a manual pivoter is different than an air pivoter. They're not opposites, I don't believe. I pivot with my hand on the bed prior to get my aim line/stroke line. I don't swerve or swipe. I pivot as Hal Houle describes the pivot. And I use at least three different systems predominantly, none of which come under the umbrella of "fractional aiming."

{edit: I think you are talking about pivoting at the bridge vs. pivoting at the hips. With a normal cue, I bridge pivot; with a Predator, I front hand pivot, but I can see that pivoting at the hips probably gets the same results}

Fred <~~~ thinks history is important.