CTE. "I can see the shot line from here"

[nobcitypool]

nobcitypool. I suspect the problem is nobody was able to answer Jpool1985's questions so he can understand.

Personally I believe a system shall work like magic, unconsciously. It is like riding bicycle, who cares how it works as long as the technique that produces results works? A person actually has an extra sense responsible for balance, like how tight the person needs to hold a paper glass to not break it and with force enough to hold it. Or how the person knows what to do when balancing on a string? The same is here, as long as CTE works for someone it works. The brain makes necessary adjustments unconsciously. It is a mind game.

Some people need to be explained what these adjustments are, some people get them naturally. Moreover peoples abilities and strengths are different. That's why I think different aiming methods will always exist. What is simple for one, difficult for another. Different people need to be explained differently. I teach a lot (non-pool related subjects) and I know it.

Personally I think it would be great to have more pictures, diagrams and 1,2,3 explanations when someone explains an aiming system so there is no confusion, but it is me. I've been in tech industry for many years. Someone else might need a different approach.

rubell, I hear you, I am a Mech Eng by degree and spent a good deal of my career in the High Tech Sector. I have struggled and continue to struggle with CTE/Pro One in a way. My struggle isn't with the system, it is going back and leaving my previous horrible bad habits behind and learning how to have a good stroke and get aligned to the shot like a professional. I think those two things are what hold people back with the system. You notice how many very good/great players look at it and adapt reasonably fast. IMHO, there's a reason for that, that being most of them don't have to go back and rework their stroke and alignment. Even if I scrapped CTE/Pro One today, I'd be a much, much better player with another aiming system because of the improvements I've made in other aspects of my game.

People want a step by step to learning CTE/Pro One. I'll give it to you. Step 1. Develop a consistent straight stroke. Step 2. Develop a high level PSR. Step 3. Learn to align like a high level player. Step 4. Learn CTE/Pro One. If steps 1 thru 3 are in place, I 100% believe the player would be using CTE/Pro One competitively in less than 3 months after introduction.

I am 100% convinced CTE/Pro One is the ONLY aiming system out there that is geometrically perfect to the table. With the possible exception of the SEE system, no other is reasonably close. BTW, that is not saying other systems won't work and work extremely well, they simply aren't perfect systems. They require more time and more "feel" than CTE/Pro One. I also feel some or even many players might not be better with feel type aiming systems. I would never try to argue that Lee Trevino or Jim Furyk don't believe among the all time greats in golf. As you said, different people learn differently. Some people are better with paint by the numbers, some are better with a blank canvas and 10 colors of paint. Rather than argue about it, people should accept pool is a game of hitting little round balls in pockets and moving the white one to the position they need to hit the next one. There are numerous ways to achieve that. Players should evaluate different systems and work with the one that works best for them. Doesn't mean it is the best, better or bad. Simply means it is the best one for their personality/behavioral type and physical skills.

 

[rubell]

rubell, I hear you, I am a Mech Eng by degree and spent a good deal of my career in the High Tech Sector. I have struggled and continue to struggle with CTE/Pro One in a way. My struggle isn't with the system, it is going back and leaving my previous horrible bad habits behind and learning how to have a good stroke and get aligned to the shot like a professional. I think those two things are what hold people back with the system. You notice how many very good/great players look at it and adapt reasonably fast. IMHO, there's a reason for that, that being most of them don't have to go back and rework their stroke and alignment. Even if I scrapped CTE/Pro One today, I'd be a much, much better player with another aiming system because of the improvements I've made in other aspects of my game.

People want a step by step to learning CTE/Pro One. I'll give it to you. Step 1. Develop a consistent straight stroke. Step 2. Develop a high level PSR. Step 3. Learn to align like a high level player. Step 4. Learn CTE/Pro One. If steps 1 thru 3 are in place, I 100% believe the player would be using CTE/Pro One competitively in less than 3 months after introduction.

I am 100% convinced CTE/Pro One is the ONLY aiming system out there that is geometrically perfect to the table. With the possible exception of the SEE system, no other is reasonably close. BTW, that is not saying other systems won't work and work extremely well, they simply aren't perfect systems. They require more time and more "feel" than CTE/Pro One. I also feel some or even many players might not be better with feel type aiming systems. I would never try to argue that Lee Trevino or Jim Furyk don't believe among the all time greats in golf. As you said, different people learn differently. Some people are better with paint by the numbers, some are better with a blank canvas and 10 colors of paint. Rather than argue about it, people should accept pool is a game of hitting little round balls in pockets and moving the white one to the position they need to hit the next one. There are numerous ways to achieve that. Players should evaluate different systems and work with the one that works best for them. Doesn't mean it is the best, better or bad. Simply means it is the best one for their personality/behavioral type and physical skills.

Steps 1-3 are common among any aiming system. The part in question for me is step 4. According to Stan I do not understand it. So, what is it? I mean, Stan is playing billiards for zillion years and has a very high level of proficiency. I do not. Neither I know all this terminology or details why they are important. What I mean is how to explain it for my level? What would be an appropriate is some instructions with diagrams and step-by-step instructions and all exact terminology definitions and explanation. Just one case, cue ball at point A, the object ball at point B and the pocket is at C. Then how it works in different case, say A2,B2,C2 and then how it works in transitional case. That's it. After that I would know exactly what to do without any speculation or guesses. Like computer.

 

[nobcitypool]

Steps 1-3 are common among any aiming system. The part in question for me is step 4. According to Stan I do not understand it. So, what is it? I mean, Stan is playing billiards for zillion years and has a very high level of proficiency. I do not. Neither I know all this terminology or details why they are important. What I mean is how to explain it for my level? What would be an appropriate is some instructions with diagrams and step-by-step instructions and all exact terminology definitions and explanation. Just one case, cue ball at point A, the object ball at point B and the pocket is at C. Then how it works in different case, say A2,B2,C2 and then how it works in transitional case. That's it. After that I would know exactly what to do without any speculation or guesses. Like computer.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with steps 1-3 are common. It is entirely possible for someone to be very proficient at ball pocketing and have a horrible stroke, PSR and alignment. They simply learned to adapt their deficiencies by feel. For example, if your stroke had you consistently pushing the ball to the left, at some point, your mind would make a correction to your aim. If you were mis-aligned and seeing the balls wrong, at some point, your brain could be trained to adapt to this.

I will be the first to agree that a player at a lower proficiency level could very well struggle to learn CTE/Pro One without the benefit of lessons from Stan, Stevie Moore or some other player who is highly proficient with the system and knows how to teach it. However, with enough tenacity and dedication, I think it could be done. I haven't seen DVD2, therefore, I cannot comment on whether or not it fills in the gaps you refer to. I am looking forward to seeing it.

I appreciate your challenge in getting a lesson if you're in LA. However, Stevie Moore was in LA a month or two ago and posted a thread about being available to give lessons. I've been fortunate enough to have lessons from both Stevie and Stan, GREAT teachers of the games and even better people.

 

[rubell]

nobcitypool, I understand what you mean. What I mean that these components must present in a good aiming system. And this is what I've seen in many places online where they teach billiards.

 

[gazman100]

Stan,
Unfortunately I live far from you (LA) and I am not able to take in person lessons. Thanks for the offer anyway.
Nick

Do you guys know how lucky you are in the USA.
If I lived there I'd be off to Stans several times a year.
Cheers:smile:

 

[Gerry Williams]

I have been focusing on golf for the past 4 months but the pool season is approaching. Back to training soon. If anyone can spend time with Stan they will not regret it.

While I hate the cold weather I do enjoy the idea of working on my game over the winter.

Gerry

Do you guys know how lucky you are in the USA.
If I lived there I'd be off to Stans several times a year.
Cheers:smile:

 

[dougster26]

Dvd2

Stan,

Will DVD2 explain CTE/Pro One so that people like me, who bought your first video, and cannot figure it out, be able to understand it? I haven't given up on it yet, but no matter how much I work with it there is something that I am missing and don't understand.

Is there anyone north of Boston qualified to teach CTE? When do you expect DVD2 to come out?

Thanks, Dougster

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan,

Will DVD2 explain CTE/Pro One so that people like me, who bought your first video, and cannot figure it out, be able to understand it? I haven't given up on it yet, but no matter how much I work with it there is something that I am missing and don't understand.

Is there anyone north of Boston qualified to teach CTE? When do you expect DVD2 to come out?

Thanks, Dougster

Dougster,

Real CTE is quite different but actually it's very simple. I am unsure of why you can not understand how the system works since you have put in the time. CTE is odd at first and some want to try and make the system work according to how they already aim. The steps for CTE are on DVD1 and they are correct. If I could spend a few minutes with you I could get you squared away.

I am honest in saying that I do not know what DVD2 can do for you. What I do believe is that if any properly motivated student wants to learn CTE PRO ONE from DVD2, they will succeed.

I am expecting a rough cut,first copy of DVD2 this coming week. The process, which has largely been out of my control is now on the fast track.

Thank you for your continued interest in CTE PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BeiberLvr]

First of all, I didn't read any of the replies

The thing that I love most about Pro One is you don't even have to use it.

Now I'll explain what I mean by that statement. The general steps to Pro One are

1. Find visuals
2. Determine sweep
3. Find fixed CB
4. Sweep to CCB

The beauty of it all is that once you've put in the hours, you can skip any to all of the steps. I think it's very similar to the Arrow aiming tool. Mostly because after enough practice, you start to see the shot line. The obvious difference between them, however, is that the Arrow can't be used in competition.

Finally, I'm not saying one should skip the steps in Pro One that take you to the shot line. The built-in PSR is one of the overlooked benefits of the system.

 

[cookie man]

First of all, I didn't read any of the replies

The thing that I love most about Pro One is you don't even have to use it.

Now I'll explain what I mean by that statement. The general steps to Pro One are

1. Find visuals
2. Determine sweep
3. Find fixed CB
4. Sweep to CCB

The beauty of it all is that once you've put in the hours, you can skip any to all of the steps. I think it's very similar to the Arrow aiming tool. Mostly because after enough practice, you start to see the shot line. The obvious difference between them, however, is that the Arrow can't be used in competition.

Finally, I'm not saying one should skip the steps in Pro One that take you to the shot line. The built-in PSR is one of the overlooked benefits of the system.

Curious what level u shoot at, care to say? I would ask because I think the steps are necessary.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Curious what level u shoot at, care to say? I would ask because I think the steps are necessary.

High C/Low B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgJYeGjlgw


In the beginning, the steps are definitely necessary. The point I'm trying to make is that Pro One is so well designed to take you to the correct shot line. Over time, your subconscious will develop, and the shot line will be very evident. When I'm actually playing someone, I rarely go through the steps. That's because I've practiced thousands of shots going through all the motions.

Most pros will probably tell you that letting your subconscious do the work is one of the many keys to playing well during competition. Whether it's your fundamentals or your aim, not thinking about what you're doing will allow you to play so much better. Thinking about those things should be reserved for the practice table.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Pool is a game where the more you know the better, and the less you think about what you know; the better you'll play.

 

[One Pocket John]

High C/Low B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgJYeGjlgw


In the beginning, the steps are definitely necessary. The point I'm trying to make is that Pro One is so well designed to take you to the correct shot line. Over time, your subconscious will develop, and the shot line will be very evident. When I'm actually playing someone, I rarely go through the steps. That's because I've practiced thousands of shots going through all the motions.

Most pros will probably tell you that letting your subconscious do the work is one of the many keys to playing well during competition. Whether it's your fundamentals or your aim, not thinking about what you're doing will allow you to play so much better. Thinking about those things should be reserved for the practice table.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Pool is a game where the more you know the better, and the less you think about what you know; the better you'll play.

I'll go along with that. Good post.

John

 

[stan shuffett]

Do I go through all the steps of CTE PRO ONE as a routine?

I will not answer that question directly at this time but a few thoughts from significant orhers come to mind that you might ponder about for a spell.

Consistency is the Name of the Game

Strive for perfection at every opportunity to execute a shot.

Do not let up on what appears to be simple only to bear down on what seems to be challenging. Easy way to get out of stroke. All shots are tough. All shots should have a 100% effort.

The conscious mind is a half second behind the subconscious mind. Perfect execution typically results from one's subconsciousness as a result of properly learning a set of skills through proper practice.

Stan Shuffett

 

[cookie man]

High C/Low B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgJYeGjlgw


In the beginning, the steps are definitely necessary. The point I'm trying to make is that Pro One is so well designed to take you to the correct shot line. Over time, your subconscious will develop, and the shot line will be very evident. When I'm actually playing someone, I rarely go through the steps. That's because I've practiced thousands of shots going through all the motions.

Most pros will probably tell you that letting your subconscious do the work is one of the many keys to playing well during competition. Whether it's your fundamentals or your aim, not thinking about what you're doing will allow you to play so much better. Thinking about those things should be reserved for the practice table.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Pool is a game where the more you know the better, and the less you think about what you know; the better you'll play.

I think u contradict yourself here. In the beginning the steps are necessary, and pro-one takes u exactly where u need to be, why stop doing it?
Over time the subconscious does develop and goes over the steps naturally. This is what lets u advance your level of play. And you have a natural fall back in that u can think about it and go threw the steps if need be.
IMO if your using pro-one you should use it on every shot. You should have practiced it enough for your subconscious to be doing the steps.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I think u contradict yourself here. In the beginning the steps are necessary, and pro-one takes u exactly where u need to be, why stop doing it?
Over time the subconscious does develop and goes over the steps naturally. This is what lets u advance your level of play. And you have a natural fall back in that u can think about it and go threw the steps if need be.
IMO if your using pro-one you should use it on every shot. You should have practiced it enough for your subconscious to be doing the steps.

Maybe I said what I meant to say incorrectly, but yes, that's exactly what I meant.

There are two types of aiming. Conscious and subconscious. Obviously thinking about the steps falls into the first category. When I'm playing someone, I don't think about the steps, but I know I'm doing them. Over the past 10 months of using Pro One, my subconscious aiming has improved dramatically.

 

[stan shuffett]

Maybe I said what I meant to say incorrectly, but yes, that's exactly what I meant.

There are two types of aiming. Conscious and subconscious. Obviously thinking about the steps falls into the first category. When I'm playing someone, I don't think about the steps, but I know I'm doing them. Over the past 10 months of using Pro One, my subconscious aiming has improved dramatically.

I'd like to add that there will and should be an awareness to the process once it's ingrained, an awareness that one can derive great pleasure from as well.

Stan Shuffett