CTE PRO ONE Contrast with Quarters System

Patrick Johnson said:
This is an excellent example of learning by "feel" (experience-based subconscious ability). Some things just must be learned this way, even when aided by "objective" instructions. There's nothing wrong with it, and no reason to object strongly to the idea.

CTE is not worse for being an effective aid to learning aiming by feel - if this reality was embraced rather than denied, CTE might be recognized as a widely applicable aiming aid rather than a fringe "aiming system".

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CTE PRO ONE is what it is by the nature of its objective visuals.

The system is objective. The system objectivity is not going to change and even if I were to label CTE as you'd like to see it.....FEEL....I couldn't do that because I must be true to my work and what I and others know.

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
CTE PRO ONE is what it is by the nature of its objective visuals.

The system is objective. The system objectivity is not going to change and even if I were to label CTE as you'd like to see it.....FEEL....I couldn't do that because I must be true to my work and what I and others know.

Stan Shuffett
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I respect your loyalty to your work and students, Stan. And I know that how you teach CTE is the right way for many to learn it - my way is wrong for them.

But I think there are non-controversial good things in CTE, old and new, that many will miss because of the controversial parts they don't understand or agree with. Wish I could think of a way to present that without stirring the embers.

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Patrick Johnson said:
I respect your loyalty to your work and students, Stan. And I know that how you teach CTE is the right way for many to learn it - my way is wrong for them.

But I think there are non-controversial good things in CTE, old and new, that many will miss because of the controversial parts they don't understand or agree with. Wish I could think of a way to present that without stirring the embers.

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I have an idea. Why don't you start with a demonstration of system knowledge? I suggest play the 9-ball ghost a race to 5 and call out the visuals and pivot direction for each shot.
Do that as 1st step. I think most everyone would agree that if you are going to advocate new and improved presentation strategies for my CTE PRO ONE....then a good 'ol demo from you would not be too much to expect.

Stan Shuffett
 
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To PJ and everyone else who might have questions about CTE, can you just clearly re-iterate any and all questions you have about CTE, I've think I have an idea of how to explain it, but Id like the specific questions I need to be answering. It also might take a little while, but I'll do my best
 
tonythetiger583 said:
To PJ and everyone else who might have questions about CTE, can you just clearly re-iterate any and all questions you have about CTE, I've think I have an idea of how to explain it, but Id like the specific questions I need to be answering. It also might take a little while, but I'll do my best
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What are your thoughts about 2 parallel shots, as has been demonstrated, that have the same visuals and same pivot directions but different outcome angles to a pocket?

What caused the difference in perception, since they're each objective,from the 1st shot to the second shot?

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
I have an idea. Why don't you start with a demonstration of system knowledge? I suggest play the 9-ball ghost a race to 5 and call out the visuals and pivot direction for each shot.
Do that as 1st step. I think most everyone would agree that if you are going to advocate new and improved presentation strategies for my CTE PRO ONE....then a good 'ol demo from you would not be too much to expect.

Stan Shuffett
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LOL Why don't we just meet in the street at high noon, pardner? That'll settle things once and for all.

I'll work on a description of my version of "fractional aiming by feel", giving credit where CTE or other systems appear similar.

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Patrick Johnson said:
LOL Why don't we just meet in the street at high noon, pardner? That'll settle things once and for all.

I'll work on a description of my version of "fractional aiming by feel", giving credit where CTE or other systems appear similar.

pj
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I have never been adverse to meeting with anyone!

Good for you! Work on your feel system all you want. It will have zip to do with CTE PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett
 
In the Hustler, there were some shots where a ball was buried in the rack was called and then made.

Anyone care to go about decscribe acquiring the visuals for those types of shots?
 
duckie said:
In the Hustler, there were some shots where a ball was buried in the rack was called and then made.

Anyone care to go about decscribe acquiring the visuals for those types of shots?
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Dude, just stop talking, please. Aiming systems and sighting have zero to do with picking out clusters, kisses and caroms.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
This is an excellent example of learning by "feel" (experience-based subconscious ability). Some things just must be learned this way, even when aided by "objective" instructions. There's nothing wrong with it, and no reason to object strongly to the idea.

CTE is not worse for being an effective aid to learning aiming by feel - if this reality was embraced rather than denied, CTE might be recognized as a widely applicable aiming aid rather than a fringe "aiming system".

pj
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Point noted. My purpose of the unicycle analogy was to point out that some things (such as the two-line visuals) are not hard, just different. At first they may be somewhat awkward, but quickly become second nature with a bit of practice/repetition. (i.e. not simply with a set of instructions.)

If you use manual pivots, the system consists of locking on the visuals, then moving straight in on the fixed CB, then a 1/2 tip pivot to CCB. Once that becomes easy to do, you can pretty much look at the CB and see where the 1/2 pivot will end up. The sweeps are essentially moving your tip directly into post-pivot position. i.e. cue tip and body follow eyes to proper place.
 
duckie said:
In the Hustler, there were some shots where a ball was buried in the rack was called and then made.

Anyone care to go about decscribe acquiring the visuals for those types of shots?
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duck duck goose see if that works
 
stan shuffett said:
What are your thoughts about 2 parallel shots, as has been demonstrated, that have the same visuals and same pivot directions but different outcome angles to a pocket?

What caused the difference in perception, since they're each objective,from the 1st shot to the second shot?

Stan Shuffett
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I couldn't have put that question better myself, Stan. Good to see we agree on that much. :)

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Me:
There's that phrase again. It's almost as if its meaning is up to the individual.
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nob:
Even though that's not the case, what if it were?
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That would make it clearly subjective and not part of the system. The system would be the other parts that help develop and use the skill.

Hypothetically, of course.

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Patrick Johnson said:
There's that phrase again. It's almost as if its meaning is up to the individual.

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Not really. The visual looks correct from only one place. Move left or right and you lose it. Our perception takes us there. At first it may not be completely obvious, but with some repetition it quickly becomes so. Our perception takes us there, not the other way around (up to the individual, as you say.)
 
mohrt said:
Not really. The visual looks correct from only one place. Move left or right and you lose it. Our perception takes us there. At first it may not be completely obvious, but with some repetition it quickly becomes so. Our perception takes us there, not the other way around (up to the individual, as you say.)
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That's not my definition of objective, but OK, if you say so.

It could also be a description of learning to visualize cut angles by feel.

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Patrick Johnson said:
I couldn't have put that question better myself, Stan. Good to see we agree on that much. :)

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I just asked for you and your huddles as I knew that is what would be asked......

No one needs to read into anything into your word twisting that would imply that we agree on much of anything concerning CTE.

Stan Shuffett
 
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