CTE/Pro One Practice Table Set Up 2

[rubell]

You're being pedantic - you know what alignment means.

I see what you are saying. Once you have the CTEL and 'C' alignment (yes, alignment- you know what it means) you then move anywhere 'remembering' where those 2 lines are. So according to you, you can even stand behind the OB and still 'see' those 2 lines.

You should give up if you haven't already. Try HAMB.

Of course, I can. I can see a unicorn on a table if I want to.

BeiverLvr though explained me what these lines are and how they work. I do not have questions on that anymore.

 

[Mirza]

Great explanation!

Anyone learning CTE Pro1 should read this!

No you can't, and it's pretty easy to prove.

Draw a large circle on a blank sheet of paper, and tape the paper on a wall roughly at eye level.

Now stand about 6' or so away from the paper, and hold your left arm straight in front of you at eye level. You may have to close your non-dominant eye (if you have one) to do this correctly.

Point only your left index and middle finger at the circle. Your middle finger should point to the left edge of the circle. This is the center-to-edge line. Your index finger should be pointing at the right quarter of the circle. This represents the aiming line, which in this case, is pointed at C.

Now simply move your head to the left or right. You'll notice that even the slightest movement will change the perception of where your fingers are pointing, despite not moving your arm.

 

[UpMySleeves]

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but it has some valuable information.

Because contrary to popular belief, it's not the magic bullet that some make it out to be. Mostly the people that know nothing about the system.

Pro One is no different than any other aiming system or technique, and still requires hours upon hours of practice to get it right.

Just like learning how to draw the CB. The technique is simple enough, but I've never met a player that's just starting to play pool be able to execute it flawlessly on their first try. Then even when they do get it down, they have to put in even more time learning how to control the speed.

Nothing is easy unless you put in the work.

I have been searching for an explaination on how to Use CTE/Pro one, and stumbled here. I have not bought the DVDs yet, but will soon, as this system looks very promising

I have learned alot with this thread, and this (above quoted) helped some, but I have a hard time bringing that to the table. From your explaination, we are from the cue ball's perspective, so obviously, if I move my head, I lose that visual. I made a quick diagram of what I see, and what others have said they see.

If I stand behind the cue ball, I can visualise both lines. In this example, if I shift a little to the right, I can still see both lines clearly. Where do I set myself to then drop in full stance and do the pivot / sweep?

In your example, I would have to get my visuals just over the cue ball, at table's height, which is very different than getting them standing up above both balls.

If I'm wrong in anything, and if you confirm the DVD2 will explain all of this, I'll buy, but in the meantime, I'm very curious on how you see it.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I'm a right handed player. So on almost all shots, I'm standing slightly to the left of the CB. That's my offset. This allows a very natural movement when I get down into my stance.

On a right cut, I'll usually need to lean over to the right just a little in order to see the visuals, but the movement into full stance is still natural.

Hope that helps, and yes DVD2 will answer your questions more in depth. If you end up buying it, I recommend doing the following

1. Watch it at least twice
2. Practice all of the reference shots. There's a lot of them, and I would say it's best to shoot all of them at least 10 times.
3. Watch the DVD again, and especially watch the shots you had trouble with.
4. Shoot each shot at least 10 times.
5. Repeat 2-4 until you can make all the reference shots at least 7/10 times. Maybe 5/10 on the banks since there are definitely other factors to consider when banking (speed, table conditions, english used).

 

[rubell]

If I stand behind the cue ball, I can visualise both lines. In this example, if I shift a little to the right, I can still see both lines clearly. Where do I set myself to then drop in full stance and do the pivot / sweep?

In your example, I would have to get my visuals just over the cue ball, at table's height, which is very different than getting them standing up above both balls.

If I'm wrong in anything, and if you confirm the DVD2 will explain all of this, I'll buy, but in the meantime, I'm very curious on how you see it.

Your picture is good enough to understand how it works. At the same time t's difficult to tell exactly how these lines look. Even if someone drew a diagram it would not be exact because the shooter is not behind either of the lines. The shot speed plays a big role too. It is much easier to practice reference shots from the DVD.This is the key to understanding the method. In the DVD one can see how Stan shoots and how he aligns for each of these shots. By practicing these shots you will calibrate your alignment, sweeps and the shot itself. The DVD offers a structured approach to master the method. It also contains many advanced topics like English, banking, combinations, kicks.

 

[rubell]

One more note, it is very important for balls to be exactly the same. Some ball sets have a larger and heavier cue ball. Personally for me these balls force me to adjust a lot and make banking with CTE Pro One almost impossible to perform.

 

[pablocruz]

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but it has some valuable information.




I have been searching for an explaination on how to Use CTE/Pro one, and stumbled here. I have not bought the DVDs yet, but will soon, as this system looks very promising

I have learned alot with this thread, and this (above quoted) helped some, but I have a hard time bringing that to the table. From your explaination, we are from the cue ball's perspective, so obviously, if I move my head, I lose that visual. I made a quick diagram of what I see, and what others have said they see.

If I stand behind the cue ball, I can visualise both lines. In this example, if I shift a little to the right, I can still see both lines clearly. Where do I set myself to then drop in full stance and do the pivot / sweep?

In your example, I would have to get my visuals just over the cue ball, at table's height, which is very different than getting them standing up above both balls.

If I'm wrong in anything, and if you confirm the DVD2 will explain all of this, I'll buy, but in the meantime, I'm very curious on how you see it.

Your diagram shows 2 different shots, (If it's the same shot, the cue ball has been moved) so you will have a separate unique visual for each shot.
Notice in your diagram how the core center of your cue ball has changed (in relation to the shot line), even with the same (Edge to C)..

 

[GaryB]

Cte

I have made up my mind that I'll learn this system this year.

I know that it will take a ton of table time.

The same questions seem to pop up on this forum all the time.

Stan has been very specific in his statements.
Eyes to the right of CTEL means the pivot is right.
Eyes to the left of CTEL means that the pivot is left.

A left pivot is defined by the positioning of ones cue tip a 1/2 tip of the vertical axis of the cue ball. The actual tip movement to the CCB is to the right.

A right pivot is 1/2 tip to the right of the CB axis. The actual tip movement to the CCB is to the left.

Left pivot cue tip moves right and a right pivot cue tip moves left.

Unless the new DVD's contradict the above, which I doubt, I'll continue to refine the above.

To me the naysayers have not only not really tried but they have missed out on the purity which exists within the system.

 

[UpMySleeves]

I know people are getting excellent results, and it isn't without work. Like you, I will try to learn this system this year until it becomes second nature.

I have seen Stan's videos on YouTube and I knkw there has to be a precise spot where you can perceive both lines. He sometimes shitfs a little and says he lost it. What I would be interested in is seeing a video from the shooters perspective. Has anyone dine that yet to try to explain? You can't have a more fixed field if view with a video camera since it doesn't have two lenses. I thinknit would be usefull if someone stood behind the shot and said "thats the right perception" I could pause the vis ans see what you see.

Thanks for the help guys!

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[Gerry Williams]

Very well said. The system gets better every day for me and I have been working with it for 14 months - hitting a lot of balls.

Stans support and professionalism is second to none.

Enjoy the journey!

Gerry

I have made up my mind that I'll learn this system this year.

I know that it will take a ton of table time.

The same questions seem to pop up on this forum all the time.

Stan has been very specific in his statements.
Eyes to the right of CTEL means the pivot is right.
Eyes to the left of CTEL means that the pivot is left.

A left pivot is defined by the positioning of ones cue tip a 1/2 tip of the vertical axis of the cue ball. The actual tip movement to the CCB is to the right.

A right pivot is 1/2 tip to the right of the CB axis. The actual tip movement to the CCB is to the left.

Left pivot cue tip moves right and a right pivot cue tip moves left.

Unless the new DVD's contradict the above, which I doubt, I'll continue to refine the above.

To me the naysayers have not only not really tried but they have missed out on the purity which exists within the system.

 

[rubell]

Your diagram shows 2 different shots, (If it's the same shot, the cue ball has been moved) so you will have a separate unique visual for each shot.
Notice in your diagram how the core center of your cue ball has changed (in relation to the shot line), even with the same (Edge to C)..

Actually I like the left picture better, even if it is not exact. The right one looks to me too much off. I mean imagine if you are actually see the picture from the side, not top. What do you think?

What I see when I use CTE Pro One is some pattern and if it is the same shot category it looks the same from the side when distance between balls is the same. It's hard to tell though as it is extremely difficult for me to shoot and think how I do it at the same time.

 

[JB Cases]

That is not objective, I could see any visual line up I wish from any position that puts me one half tip sweep away.

In other words, from the correct position I could draw a line from cte, or eta, or etb, or etc, and so on.

If you don't have to be in line with the visuals then you can stand at any angle and draw a line between any two points.

Actually there is only ONE position from which you can "see" both lines AND come down correctly to center ball. Yes you can see/perceive both lines from many body positions BUT you would be 100% unable to come to center ball comfortably with anything remotely close to the cue being on the shot line. This is in fact the basis of the whole thing. By using the lines objectively it puts you on the correct body position to come into the shot properly.

 

[JB Cases]

No you can't, and it's pretty easy to prove.

Draw a large circle on a blank sheet of paper, and tape the paper on a wall roughly at eye level.

Now stand about 6' or so away from the paper, and hold your left arm straight in front of you at eye level. You may have to close your non-dominant eye (if you have one) to do this correctly.

Point only your left index and middle finger at the circle. Your middle finger should point to the left edge of the circle. This is the center-to-edge line. Your index finger should be pointing at the right quarter of the circle. This represents the aiming line, which in this case, is pointed at C.

Now simply move your head to the left or right. You'll notice that even the slightest movement will change the perception of where your fingers are pointing, despite not moving your arm.

Excellent example and 100% true. I just did it with several objects in the house. That's exactly what perception means and by using two lines you get dialed in to the correct position.

 

[gazman100]

No you can't, and it's pretty easy to prove.

Draw a large circle on a blank sheet of paper, and tape the paper on a wall roughly at eye level.

Now stand about 6' or so away from the paper, and hold your left arm straight in front of you at eye level. You may have to close your non-dominant eye (if you have one) to do this correctly.

Point only your left index and middle finger at the circle. Your middle finger should point to the left edge of the circle. This is the center-to-edge line. Your index finger should be pointing at the right quarter of the circle. This represents the aiming line, which in this case, is pointed at C.

Now simply move your head to the left or right. You'll notice that even the slightest movement will change the perception of where your fingers are pointing, despite not moving your arm.

Outstanding example of how to get two line exact.
Is there any chance you can do a diagram on this example.
Cheers

 

[BeiberLvr]

Excellent example and 100% true. I just did it with several objects in the house. That's exactly what perception means and by using two lines you get dialed in to the correct position.

Out of context, your second sentence is a little raunchy :grin-square:

 

[BeiberLvr]

Outstanding example of how to get two line exact.
Is there any chance you can do a diagram on this example.
Cheers

Love to, but I wouldn't know where to begin.

 

[JB Cases]

Love to, but I wouldn't know where to begin.

I will try.

Working backwards from the premise that there is only ONE shot line that is correct.

If we assume then that there is ONE body position that a player can stand in to come down properly with the cue on the shot line then we can also assume that there is one place where the shooter can "see" two lines emanating from them to specific places on the cue ball and object ball. If the shooter moves their eyes from this position even slightly then they can no longer "see" the lines going to the correct places.

In figure 1 we will assume for the sake of example that the shooter sees each line clearly with the eye position shown and that this is the correct position for the shot the shooter is facing.

In figure 2 the shooter's body position remains the same but the head shifts slightly to the right. Now it is physically impossible for the shooter to project a two straight lines from the same eye position to the SAME parts of the cb-object balls as in figure one. Something has to give, if the CTE line is used the the edge to A line isn't there. If the edge to A line is used then the CTE line isn't there.

ONLY where both lines are clearly seen is this the correct body and head position.

Feel free to correct me because this is how I understand it.

 

[rubell]

I will try.

Working backwards from the premise that there is only ONE shot line that is correct.

If we assume then that there is ONE body position that a player can stand in to come down properly with the cue on the shot line then we can also assume that there is one place where the shooter can "see" two lines emanating from them to specific places on the cue ball and object ball. If the shooter moves their eyes from this position even slightly then they can no longer "see" the lines going to the correct places.

In figure 1 we will assume for the sake of example that the shooter sees each line clearly with the eye position shown and that this is the correct position for the shot the shooter is facing.

In figure 2 the shooter's body position remains the same but the head shifts slightly to the right. Now it is physically impossible for the shooter to project a two straight lines from the same eye position to the SAME parts of the cb-object balls as in figure one. Something has to give, if the CTE line is used the the edge to A line isn't there. If the edge to A line is used then the CTE line isn't there.

ONLY where both lines are clearly seen is this the correct body and head position.

Feel free to correct me because this is how I understand it.

Interesting. Do you mean you use 2 different eyes for 2 lines or you just wanted to demonstrate that the picture changes when you move the eyes?

Why I am asking. I am trying to use the same strongest vision (vision center) from position up and when down and I am able to “see” 2 lines at the same time coming from my focal point and going through certain points ONLY for certain ball distances, which can be explained geometrically.

So instead I try to recognize the shape which connects CB edge, OB A, OB edge, CB Center and how I perceive it is not a symmetrical figure. In other words I do not try to be behind both lines at the same time or lines going out of my vision center.

At the same time these are not different shapes I can recognize them for different shots.

 

[JB Cases]

Interesting. Do you mean you use 2 different eyes for 2 lines or you just wanted to demonstrate that the picture changes when you move the eyes?

Why I am asking. I am trying to use the same strongest vision (vision center) from position up and when down and I am able to “see” 2 lines at the same time coming from my focal point and going through certain points ONLY for certain ball distances, which can be explained geometrically.

So instead I try to recognize the shape which connects CB edge, OB A, OB edge, CB Center and how I perceive it is not a symmetrical figure. In other words I do not try to be behind both lines at the same time or lines going out of my vision center.

At the same time these are not different shapes I can recognize them for different shots.

The diagram is simply a crude example to illustrate a simple point about perspective. When you physically move the photoreceptors and the lenses, your eyes, then the perception changes. It has to. While you can certainly imagine two lines flowing to parts of two objects from many body positions there is only one spot where you are also physically in line with those lines perceptually and precisely. One spot where those lines are essentially emanating from your eyes to connect you with the two objects.

I do not know the exact mechanics here as relates to vision center and dominant eyes I only know what I have observed in my own use of this method so far. Like Nobcity and Mohrt and others I have marked up the table to insure as much objectivity as possible while learning the physical and visual approach required.

For me using one line, the Cte line was huge in cutting down perception errors and using two lines really dials me in.

 

[UpMySleeves]

Thanks, thats a good explanation, Since the lines aren't parrallel most of the time (except with CTE ETB? ) its hard to get the good visuals for me, but I can't wait to get more practice time with the system on the table.

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