CTE/Pro One ~ The Final Chapter - First Impression

Well, anyone interested in CTE as an aiming system knows that Stan Shuffett and his Pro One is probably your best choice.
However after having several viewings of “The final chapter” it is clear that Stan has studied, pulled apart, and studied intensely CTE as an aiming system.
The info on this DVD set can't be found anywhere else.
It moves very very fast throughout and is like a roller coaster ride if you can't keep up. Be prepared to review chapters often to let the info sink in so to speak.
'Get the dvd'
Even if you are using any other system “Get the dvd” so you understand what CTE is all about.
Also it's great to see Stevie and Landon back again.
Cheers :thumbup:
 
gazman100 said:
Well, anyone interested in CTE as an aiming system knows that Stan Shuffett and his Pro One is probably your best choice.
However after having several viewings of “The final chapter” it is clear that Stan has studied, pulled apart, and studied intensely CTE as an aiming system.
The info on this DVD set can't be found anywhere else.
It moves very very fast throughout and is like a roller coaster ride if you can't keep up. Be prepared to review chapters often to let the info sink in so to speak.
'Get the dvd'
Even if you are using any other system “Get the dvd” so you understand what CTE is all about.
Also it's great to see Stevie and Landon back again.
Cheers :thumbup:
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I couldn't agree more with your comments. Until I watched DVD 2 many times, took notes, watched more chapters I had no idea of visual perception or left and right sweeps. I do now.

I perform this drill everyday. First I shoot all 15 balls into the corner pockets using a right rotation and then shoot another 15 balls using the left rotation. (lined across the table at 30 and shot with the QB from 50)

Took a while to get it down.

Thanks again Stan

John
 
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One Pocket John said:
I couldn't agree more with your comments. Until I watched DVD 2 many times, took notes, watched more chapters I had no idea of visual perception or left and right sweeps. I do now.

I perform this drill everyday. First I shoot all 15 balls into the corner pockets using a right rotation and then shoot another 15 balls using the left rotation. (lined across the table at 30 and shot with the QB from 50)

Took a while to get it down.

Thanks again Stan

John
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Where is the 50 location?

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Redneck Jim said:
Where is the 50 location?

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Hey Jim.

The corner pocket is zero (the pocket you are shooting at). Every diamond coming back toward you on the long rail has a value of 10. Count back 5 diamonds and you (the QB) will be at 50.

Have a good day. :smile:

John
 
frankw said:
I too love this DVD. For me , seeing the footwork made everything click with the sweeps. And like Landon , I am severely left eye dominant so watching him helped with my alignment. Lots of work to go but I really appreciate what Stan has put out. I think it's great that we have this talent here to help us with our game.
I'm going to go back and watch the first DVD again as I think I will understand it more and hope to pick up a few more tips.
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Thank you, frankw, for your positive. I am glad your connections with CTE are occurring. Once it starts, the discoveries , insights and refinements are ongoing.
Stan Shuffett
 
gazman100 said:
Well, anyone interested in CTE as an aiming system knows that Stan Shuffett and his Pro One is probably your best choice.
However after having several viewings of “The final chapter” it is clear that Stan has studied, pulled apart, and studied intensely CTE as an aiming system.
The info on this DVD set can't be found anywhere else.
It moves very very fast throughout and is like a roller coaster ride if you can't keep up. Be prepared to review chapters often to let the info sink in so to speak.
'Get the dvd'
Even if you are using any other system “Get the dvd” so you understand what CTE is all about.
Also it's great to see Stevie and Landon back again.
Cheers :thumbup:
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Gazman100,
Many thanks for your comments. Yes, there is lots of CTE info in my 3 hour lesson, much of which has never been formally presented. Absolutely, multiple viewings are necessary. I have 15/20 thousands hours packed into to those 2 disc. The FINAL CHAPTER represents all of my work over the past 8 years or so.
Stan Shuffett
 
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One Pocket John said:
I couldn't agree more with your comments. Until I watched DVD 2 many times, took notes, watched more chapters I had no idea of visual perception or left and right sweeps. I do now.

I perform this drill everyday. First I shoot all 15 balls into the corner pockets using a right rotation and then shoot another 15 balls using the left rotation. (lined across the table at 30 and shot with the QB from 50)

Took a while to get it down.

Thanks again Stan

John
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Thanks again, John! I like your. 50 30 description.
Hopefully I can cross paths with you since I will be in MO many, many times over the next few years.
Stan Shuffett
 
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one pocket John

I understand that your placing the ob 's on the line going across the table at the third diamond 30 and the cb on 50. But where on the 50 are you putting the cb? Are you shooting the ob straight in or are you putting an angle on the shot? Such as a 15 or 30 degree.
 
JE54 said:
I understand that your placing the ob 's on the line going across the table at the third diamond 30 and the cb on 50. But where on the 50 are you putting the cb? Are you shooting the ob straight in or are you putting an angle on the shot? Such as a 15 or 30 degree.
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Please note: I am only doing all of this to practice right and left sweeps into the shot line and center QB. I never knew about sweeping into a shot until I watched Stan's DVD 2. For me, visual perception and sweeping has been a missing part of the puzzle.

The QB is physically lined up with the OB straight into the corner pocket for each shot.

I was using A or C to practice left and right sweeps but switched to B. The reason is B is real easy to see because its the center of the OB and the center is sitting on the table and its more comfortable for me to use.

I did notice one other thing that I'm going to be practicing. I sat a striped ball on the table and looked at the A & C lines, then looked down on the table at the shadow of the OB.
The darkest shadows came real close to the A & C lines on the striped OB.

When the QB and OB are close together estimating where A & C are isn't too tough but as the OB is moved further away from the QB it begins to get smaller and smaller and estimating where A & C are becomes more difficult this is where I plan to try using the shadows for A & C.

I'll test this out on blind cuts to the corner pockets.

Have fun :)

John
 
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stan shuffett said:
Thanks again, John! I like your. 50 30 description.
Hopefully I can cross paths with you since I will be in MO many, many times over the next few years.
Stan Shuffett
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That's cool. Just PM me if your ever in the St. Louis area. It would be a pleasure to meet you. Maybe even get together at Cue and Cushion for some one pocket. During the day. Non-smoking and table rates are $1.80/hr/man.

They even have a heated 3-cushion table and a 5x10 snooker table.

Hope to see you sometime. :)

John
 
Thanks Stan , this DVD2 is truly amazing and presentation is well done . Now i understand the sweeping a lot better and the banking too. I also understand the manual sweeping to center.

Thanks again

Roland
 
I just received both DVD's over the weekend. Do I need to watch one before two? I started watching DVD2 because I thought it was the same material as one just with more clarity. Well, being new to the system I found myself lost. I understood CTE and ABC to a degree as the were always referenced. What I had a hard time with was once I had my visual reference. What am I aiming at? Let say my reference line is A. Do I line up for A with 1/2 tip and pivot center? I know I need to watch the entire DVD but I got lost in the beginning so I gave up. Probably me plus I don't have a home table so it's watch parts of the DVD and try it out later. I just want to know what to aim at one I referenced CTE and A B or C.
 
I would watch them in order.

I am happy to answer any questions as you journey along. Stick with it :)

jburkm002 said:
I just received both DVD's over the weekend. Do I need to watch one before two? I started watching DVD2 because I thought it was the same material as one just with more clarity. Well, being new to the system I found myself lost. I understood CTE and ABC to a degree as the were always referenced. What I had a hard time with was once I had my visual reference. What am I aiming at? Let say my reference line is A. Do I line up for A with 1/2 tip and pivot center? I know I need to watch the entire DVD but I got lost in the beginning so I gave up. Probably me plus I don't have a home table so it's watch parts of the DVD and try it out later. I just want to know what to aim at one I referenced CTE and A B or C.
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jburkm002 said:
I just received both DVD's over the weekend. Do I need to watch one before two? I started watching DVD2 because I thought it was the same material as one just with more clarity. Well, being new to the system I found myself lost. I understood CTE and ABC to a degree as the were always referenced. What I had a hard time with was once I had my visual reference. What am I aiming at? Let say my reference line is A. Do I line up for A with 1/2 tip and pivot center? I know I need to watch the entire DVD but I got lost in the beginning so I gave up. Probably me plus I don't have a home table so it's watch parts of the DVD and try it out later. I just want to know what to aim at one I referenced CTE and A B or C.
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I bought the original CTE Pro 1 DVD release. I had a similar experience as you, and when I asked for clarification it was just as vague.

Unlike you, I don't take the attitude of "It's probably me" because, of course it could be, but in general I know I am capable of learning something that is properly explained.

It almost feels like this...

1) Part A of concept -> Understood
2) Part B --> Understood
3) Part C --> Understood
4) Part D, sufficiently vague as to be almost intentional --> ???
5) Part E --> Understood
6) Part F --> Understood

and any follow-up attempts to understand that one vague part never get resolved.

So, if there is a new DVD that is better, so be it, but I found the first one so dissatisfying that I won't risk getting burned a second time.
 
shinobi said:
I bought the original CTE Pro 1 DVD release. I had a similar experience as you, and when I asked for clarification it was just as vague.

Unlike you, I don't take the attitude of "It's probably me" because, of course it could be, but in general I know I am capable of learning something that is properly explained.

It almost feels like this...

1) Part A of concept -> Understood
2) Part B --> Understood
3) Part C --> Understood
4) Part D, sufficiently vague as to be almost intentional --> ???
5) Part E --> Understood
6) Part F --> Understood

and any follow-up attempts to understand that one vague part never get resolved.

So, if there is a new DVD that is better, so be it, but I found the first one so dissatisfying that I won't risk getting burned a second time.
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It probably is you.

Plenty of others are able to understand and execute the system.
 
BeiberLvr said:
It probably is you.

Plenty of others are able to understand and execute the system.
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It is extremely easy to understand the base concepts such as aim point A, B, C. Immediately after the explanation of the aim points A, B, C is provided, the following caveat comes up on the screen:

"Experience and recognition skills are KEY in determining correct OB aim points."

and Stan then echos, "It's my experience with Center To Edge that allows me to know the exact visuals for this shot".

Ergo, immediately after learning about aim points A, B, C I am told that with experience and repetition I'll learn where to aim. But that's the same process as without an aiming system. Not off to a good start. Nonetheless, I continue watching.

Then he shoots the shot using the aim points he knows to be used by the system, and says it will miss unless you add the pivot. He says that the pivot is the number one reason why most players that have tried CTE have not connected with the system. Okay, so he then echos that it will be your experience as a player to determine if it will be a pivot to the left or right. Another subjective "system"

At about 2:30 of the chapter (pivot chapter) he talks about how to present yourself to the shot/visual. A lot of vagueness as to specifics of how he assures he steps "straight into" the line with his bridge hand assuring the proper positioning.

I'm not at all against the idea of repetition and experience teaching which aim points to use combined with which pivot points etc. but I don't see how that is any more effective than other repetition of other systems.

I've also seen numerous charts with balls in different positions with aim points and pivot directions listed and there wasn't much rhyme or reason to it. Not saying the instructions were wrong. Just that it seemed an unnecessarily complicated way to visualize and pocket the balls.
 
shinobi said:
It is extremely easy to understand the base concepts such as aim point A, B, C. Immediately after the explanation of the aim points A, B, C is provided, the following caveat comes up on the screen:

"Experience and recognition skills are KEY in determining correct OB aim points."

and Stan then echos, "It's my experience with Center To Edge that allows me to know the exact visuals for this shot".

Ergo, immediately after learning about aim points A, B, C I am told that with experience and repetition I'll learn where to aim. But that's the same process as without an aiming system. Not off to a good start. Nonetheless, I continue watching.

Then he shoots the shot using the aim points he knows to be used by the system, and says it will miss unless you add the pivot. He says that the pivot is the number one reason why most players that have tried CTE have not connected with the system. Okay, so he then echos that it will be your experience as a player to determine if it will be a pivot to the left or right. Another subjective "system"

At about 2:30 of the chapter (pivot chapter) he talks about how to present yourself to the shot/visual. A lot of vagueness as to specifics of how he assures he steps "straight into" the line with his bridge hand assuring the proper positioning.

I'm not at all against the idea of repetition and experience teaching which aim points to use combined with which pivot points etc. but I don't see how that is any more effective than other repetition of other systems.

I've also seen numerous charts with balls in different positions with aim points and pivot directions listed and there wasn't much rhyme or reason to it. Not saying the instructions were wrong. Just that it seemed an unnecessarily complicated way to visualize and pocket the balls.
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I echoed the same sentiments when I first watched it. The only way through it is to setup and practice the shots on the DVD. Give it some daily practice for a couple of weeks at the very least. Don't try to understand everything at once, just go through the motions. Little by little the understanding and "aha" moments will happen, and each time through the DVD you pick up on something you didn't before. It is very different, but the mind will quickly pick up on what is being perceived. The improvements will likely be in spurts in the beginning as your subconscious and conscious mind start to "get it".

By practicing the shots on the DVD you omit need to determine what shot/pivot is necessary. As you become familiar with them, you will find that identifying similar shots becomes easy to do. Eventually it becomes as unconscious like aiming any other way, except that CTE objectively connects you to pockets. This may not seem like a big difference on easy shots, but when shots get longer, more angle, involve banks... thats when the advantage of objectivity really becomes apparent.
 
Gerry Williams said:
I would watch them in order.

I am happy to answer any questions as you journey along. Stick with it :)
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Folks:

Are my eyes deceiving me, or is Gerry banned and this is his last post?

Obviously, the above post didn't have anything to do with it. But I can't believe that he was banned because of the uproar over banning SJD -- when it was SJD who attacked, not Gerry. I stuck up for Gerry in this post:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4610368#post4610368

Because he was able to post a day or so after the SJD incident, it's obvious he wasn't banned then, so I'm wondering why he's banned now? Was a thread or post removed that I didn't see?

:scratchhead:

-Sean <-- Gerry supporter
 
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