CTE/Pro One Users Struggling With Perceptions

nobcitypool

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I have both an old set of Centennial Balls and newer Aramith Pro's or whatever their top of the line balls are. I actually inherited the Centennials at the time I purchased my table and didn't realize at the time they'd come in handy.

My point here is, I'm guessing most people don't have Centennial balls to practice with and if you actually compare them to newer balls, there is a substantial difference. The Centennial balls middle stripe is at true 1/4 ball. If you're using a newer set of balls and using the edge of the middle stripe as your 1/4 perception, that may be a source of some struggles.

Stan mentions this in his DVD's and it has been mentioned multiple times on various videos. Just occurred to me today this could possibly be a source of misunderstanding and struggles to players newer to CTE/Pro One.

If you don't have access to one or more Centennial striped balls, you may want to take an old CB or two, measure and mark them with a magic marker to something to help you with your visuals.
 
Thanks for pointing this out.

I just measured one of my striped balls and found that 0.750" from the edge of the OB falls 0.125" inside the stripe.
Good to know.

John :smile:
 
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duckie said:
Points to a weakness in the system when the equipment used matters in aiming.
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That stupid post is the prime example of how you know absolutely nothing about CTE/Pro One. When you're playing, it would be very rare for a stripe to line up perfectly anyway. What I brought up is for practice purposes only. The fact that you seem to feel the need to constantly attempt to tear down CTE/Pro One validates the popularity and credibility of the system. Hard to do that though when it is clear you are totally ignorant of the system. Perhaps if Stan came out with some arrow markers, it would click for you.
 
How is learning to acquire the correct visuals by using stripes on a ball any different then using an arrow in practice?

Are you that obtuse, or do you just like to stir the pot?


duckie said:
Points to a weakness in the system when the equipment used matters in aiming.
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Tony_in_MD said:
How is learning to acquire the correct visuals by using stripes on a ball any different then using an arrow in practice?

Are you that obtuse, or do you just like to stir the pot?
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I'd say neither - just straight up dumb.
 
nobcitypool said:
If you don't have access to one or more Centennial striped balls, you may want to take an old CB or two, measure and mark them with a magic marker to something to help you with your visuals.
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Is it really that hard to visualise a point halfway between the centre of the ball and the edge?
 
bdorman said:
I use a chalk pencil to draw two lines on the table for every shot: OB-to-pocket and CB-to-OB.

That's legal, right?
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You're fine, just as long as you erase after each shot.

I draw a third line, from the GB position to rail. That way I can ensure that my CB always rests tight against the rail for the next shot.
 
mista335 said:
Is it really that hard to visualise a point halfway between the centre of the ball and the edge?
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That's the point of alternative aiming systems. Folks that do not have good 3D spacial perception need something that is more objective or "tangible" -- centers and edges. Anything in between is "just a bunch of ambiguous stuff." (Not saying that to be malicious or condescending; rather, that's exactly how that appears to folks who cannot accurately envision what they need for accurate ghostball, CP-to-CP, or back-of-ball aiming.) If you can boil it down to two or three "visuals," that gets you closer to where you need to be than trying to "guestimate" with a flawed (or lacking) 3D spacial perception.

What's easy for, say, you and me; isn't necessarily so for other people. People have dramatically different abilities when it comes to "perception."

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
That's the point of alternative aiming systems. Folks that do not have good 3D spacial perception need something that is more objective or "tangible" -- centers and edges. Anything in between is "just a bunch of ambiguous stuff." (Not saying that to be malicious or condescending; rather, that's exactly how that appears to folks who cannot accurately envision what they need for accurate ghostball, CP-to-CP, or back-of-ball aiming.) If you can boil it down to two or three "visuals," that gets you closer to where you need to be than trying to "guestimate" with a flawed (or lacking) 3D spacial perception.

What's easy for, say, you and me; isn't necessarily so for other people. People have dramatically different abilities when it comes to "perception."

-Sean
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Makes me wonder, if you can have that well of a perception, using the double the distance should work really well for you. Double the distance from the center to the contact point. That'd be your aiming line.
 
I'm actually having a really hard time knowing when to pick which perception. I don't think the shaft edge alignment trick would help because I don't think it would tell me which way to sweep. I know I'm using a proper preception because I'll usually end up banking it into another pocket.

I figure it's something that comes with experience, but I would really like a way of speeding up the process (perhaps a progressive drill).

I've been running through the left and right cut portion of the dvd repeatedly, but I don't think recognizing the perceptions on each short end, translates to shooting down the long end.
 
For knowing which perception...

tonythetiger583 said:
I'm actually having a really hard time knowing when to pick which perception. I don't think the shaft edge alignment trick would help because I don't think it would tell me which way to sweep. I know I'm using a proper preception because I'll usually end up banking it into another pocket.

I figure it's something that comes with experience, but I would really like a way of speeding up the process (perhaps a progressive drill).

I've been running through the left and right cut portion of the dvd repeatedly, but I don't think recognizing the perceptions on each short end, translates to shooting down the long end.
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...and direction to sweep, think about the progressions 15-30-45-60. Decide which one is appropriate for the shot. Work with each individually and think in terms of thick or thin. As an example, for a 15 degree left cut you would be looking at left edge CB to OB-A. Once you have this perception then visualize if the angle to the pocket is over-cutting or under cutting. If you see that it is over-cutting you need to thicken the shot by sweeping to the right. Sweeping to the left would thin the shot. If you find you are missing the pocket completely and the OB tracks to another pocket, set up the same shot and use the opposite sweep, but use the same visuals. Don't be afraid to miss. Just make sure you are paying attention so you can diagnose why you missed.
 
sfleinen said:
That's the point of alternative aiming systems. Folks that do not have good 3D spacial perception need something that is more objective or "tangible" -- centers and edges. Anything in between is "just a bunch of ambiguous stuff." (Not saying that to be malicious or condescending; rather, that's exactly how that appears to folks who cannot accurately envision what they need for accurate ghostball, CP-to-CP, or back-of-ball aiming.) If you can boil it down to two or three "visuals," that gets you closer to where you need to be than trying to "guestimate" with a flawed (or lacking) 3D spacial perception.

What's easy for, say, you and me; isn't necessarily so for other people. People have dramatically different abilities when it comes to "perception."

-Sean
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That is an interesting point. After using CTE Pro One for some years now, I no longer find myself literally lining up the two aim lines anymore, but instead lock onto the entire perception of how the CB and OB overlap. I kind of think of the two aim lines as training wheels until the perceptions become second nature. But there are certain shots I still use them, usually when focusing on a tougher or unfamiliar shot. For most 15/30 degree perceptions I just put my eyes behind the CB so the CB/OB overlap correctly and sweep. Not thinking about CTEL/A/B/C.
 
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sfleinen said:
That's the point of alternative aiming systems. Folks that do not have good 3D spacial perception need something that is more objective or "tangible" -- centers and edges. Anything in between is "just a bunch of ambiguous stuff." (Not saying that to be malicious or condescending; rather, that's exactly how that appears to folks who cannot accurately envision what they need for accurate ghostball, CP-to-CP, or back-of-ball aiming.) If you can boil it down to two or three "visuals," that gets you closer to where you need to be than trying to "guestimate" with a flawed (or lacking) 3D spacial perception.

What's easy for, say, you and me; isn't necessarily so for other people. People have dramatically different abilities when it comes to "perception."

-Sean
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Sean, that's an astute description. Having gotten serious about improving my pool game later in life, I wanted something that would accelerate my aiming prowess. I might not be alive by the time I HAMB. Further, having a more analytical mind set, I prefer to make it objective as possible. I don't doubt that feel, ghost ball, fractional, stick aiming or other systems can be effective. I am convinced I chose the best aiming system for me.

I think one huge misperception about CTE/Pro One is it won't allow for feel, side English or adjustment. That's simply not the case. What I like about CTE/Pro One is that it takes you to the aim line. Stan is revealing more and more how to correctly deviate from this aim line to achieve cb position when specific shot situations dictate the need.
 
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