CTE tuning (not pro or con discussions)

Yoda4962

Yoda4962

North Texas
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Discuss your experiences with CTE techniques and ways of improving. Please no discussion of pro or con here, because there are other threads for that nonsense !
 
I will start it off.....

Has anyone had any good experiences with ways to determine A's from B angles, other than just guessing at angles ?

And has anyone else noticed the overlaps between the two (A's and B's) ?
 
Overlap

My thing is that I've never once been able to see any line other than the initial CTE one. I see that line, then I pivot and it somehow works. Which OB edge and which direction I pivot depends on how shallow the cut is. There does seems to be an angle around 20 degrees where I can do it either way, so I guess I do see your overlap.
 
mmmmmm ?

NobodySpecial said:
My thing is that I've never once been able to see any line other than the initial CTE one. I see that line, then I pivot and it somehow works. Which OB edge and which direction I pivot depends on how shallow the cut is. There does seems to be an angle around 20 degrees where I can do it either way, so I guess I do see your overlap.
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well the whole concept is dependent on see'n both lines, so that you can position yourself correctly. I'm not sure how much success you are having, but i think it will improve if you get as close as possible to the concepts in the DVD. What do you think ?
 
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The DVD didn't really do a good job of explaining where to line up (along which line), or how to move into the shot (along which line). I gleaned what I could, and I saw a huge improvement. So I'm hesitant to try to tweak things and lose the improvement I've already seen. My situation is a little tainted in that I used to play very good pool, but then took a long time off. So a big part of my improvement may just be that I'm shooting again. But still, there's something to this CTE stuff. My brain would be happier if it was all hogwash, but it's not. Not even the dumbed-down version I've been using.
 
It comes with practice, it soon becomes second nature to recognize which one to use. The best routine is follow the DVD and practice the given shots. If you pick the wrong one, it will be obvious when you pivot and its not online to the pocket. Just stand up and do it again.

That said, I believe it is visually "on" with A/C from full to 3/4 ball hit, B from 3/4 to a 1/2 ball hit, and A/C on the outside for 1/2 to 1/4 ball hit. Stan recently added that last part to the system. Then there is 1/8-to-1/8 for 1/4 ball to thin, and edge-to-edge for very thin stuff.
 
I started trying CTE about a year ago, based on Shuffet's DVD but found it (and Pro one) too complicated. I guess at my advanced age (late 50's, ugh) I've become really slow. In any event, I then started trying the See-System and after practicing it awhile, I now use it and I really believe I'm getting good results with it. It just seems a lot simpler to comprehend and get comfortable with, even though Ekke's English can slow you down a little (he's German, so it's understandable and not a real problem) Nevertheless, as I said, I think the basic concept is easier than CTE.
 
When I started playing with Pro1, I setup an object ball 1 ball off the second diamond from the pocket on the long rail and lined up a row of 14 balls across the middle of the table. I used the CueTable tool to estimate the angles of each those shots. Then I went across the line, starting with straight in to what became about a 50 degree shot.

That's how I learned where the transition points were - starting with A or C (depending on direction of the cut), first outside pivot up to about 10 - 12 degrees, inside pivot to about 28 degrees or so (almost 1/2 ball hit). The small overlap area of a few degrees, but otherwise typically B alignment up to about a 1/4 ball hit (49 degrees). Then 1/8, although I think the new revised method is to align to the opposite A or C point for a while first, I haven't played with that.

I also have a doc I put together with typical object ball locations and a wide variety of cueball locations, I used that to train with SEE since the angle transitions are a bit different. It's very useful when training a specific category of shot, since you know what it should be then you can test out your alignment to make sure the ball goes. It's not completely done yet for SEE, but you could use the same thing for Pro1 or any other purpose. If anyone is interested email me at srohleder7@gmail.com and I can email you a copy, it's about 2M.

I'm using SEE now, I find the time I put in with Pro1 has helped me transition very quickly to it, and they are surprisingly similar in execution, when I'm lined up on my SEE ETO line I can still "see" the Pro1 lines as well, basically puts you in the same spot, and it would have to for it to work, right???

Scott
 
could you explain it to me ?

ballston said:
I started trying CTE about a year ago, based on Shuffet's DVD but found it (and Pro one) too complicated. I guess at my advanced age (late 50's, ugh) I've become really slow. In any event, I then started trying the See-System and after practicing it awhile, I now use it and I really believe I'm getting good results with it. It just seems a lot simpler to comprehend and get comfortable with, even though Ekke's English can slow you down a little (he's German, so it's understandable and not a real problem) Nevertheless, as I said, I think the basic concept is easier than CTE.
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would love to hear an explanation, but too cheap to buy the dvd.....lol

how does it work ?
 
line up question.....

NobodySpecial said:
The DVD didn't really do a good job of explaining where to line up (along which line), or how to move into the shot (along which line). I gleaned what I could, and I saw a huge improvement. So I'm hesitant to try to tweak things and lose the improvement I've already seen. My situation is a little tainted in that I used to play very good pool, but then took a long time off. So a big part of my improvement may just be that I'm shooting again. But still, there's something to this CTE stuff. My brain would be happier if it was all hogwash, but it's not. Not even the dumbed-down version I've been using.
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I visualize BOTH lines and line up between them......letting the lines establish my starting position. I am careful not to turn or pivot my body, just move toward the CB with these lines in mind.
 
mista335 said:
Ekkes has a trailer that shows a lot you can try to see if it suits you. It's a lot simpler than pro one. It's 3 basic alignments, then everything else like english, speed and distance are all just variations on those 3 alignments.
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It looks like a basic cte system to me.
 
aiming systems

For interested players:

Here is a link to my web site where you can find a preview of my revised pdf book THE SEE SYSTEM and training program and 35 min. of free implemented videos
(pdf includes 200 pages of DIN A 4 and ca. 5 hours of video in the training program)

http://infinite-billiards.com/en/SEE.html

...just scroll down and click on the preview...
have as well a look at "topics covered by the SEE-SYSTEM"

Try it and discuss your expierences or questions here on the forum!
Best regards from beyond the pond :-)

EKKES
 
Yoda: I see others have gotten back to you on SEE. If you haven't done so yet, I highly recommend you check out the free videos, etc noted in other posts. It's worth it.
 
Dang. I know we're getting a bit off-subject here, but the SEE system is eerily like a system taught to me by a road player a while back. It was taught to him by someone whose name would be known by old-timers. I was asked not to reveal names, so I won't.

The SEE system seems to fill in a few gaps from what I was taught during that abbreviated lesson.

Where do I buy the book/video? The very similar system I was taught by the road player has really elevated my game (particularly banks) in a short amount of time. If I could just learn to trust it a bit more and put in the table-time, I think it would have a profound effect on my game.

Sometimes when I go into panic mode, I find it comforting to turn to my PSR and systematic approach to the game. When I'm comfortable, everything flows and I never think about the PSR or system. It's there, mind you, but I'm on auto-pilot.

Anyway, where do I find this?

EDIT: Whoops. Looks like I found the website. Will this ship to the U.S.?
 
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fathomblue said:
Dang. I know we're getting a bit off-subject here, but the SEE system is eerily like a system taught to me by a road player a while back. It was taught to him by someone whose name would be known by old-timers. I was asked not to reveal names, so I won't.

The SEE system seems to fill in a few gaps from what I was taught during that abbreviated lesson.

Where do I buy the book/video? The very similar system I was taught by the road player has really elevated my game (particularly banks) in a short amount of time. If I could just learn to trust it a bit more and put in the table-time, I think it would have a profound effect on my game.

Sometimes when I go into panic mode, I find it comforting to turn to my PSR and systematic approach to the game. When I'm comfortable, everything flows and I never think about the PSR or system. It's there, mind you, but I'm on auto-pilot.

Anyway, where do I find this?

EDIT: Whoops. Looks like I found the website. Will this ship to the U.S.?
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Hi,

it s anyway a *download sale*. So you get the complete material in pdf-format including links to the videos Ekkes made and uploaded. So it shouldn t matter where you live :-)

lg
Ingo
 
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