Cue Building Workshop

[CamposCues]

Cue Workshop

Pretty cool but I hope he covers his butt and has them sign a waver. Some dude loses a finger and poof, there goes everything he owns these days.

 

[rhncue]

Pretty cool but I hope he covers his butt and has them sign a waver. Some dude loses a finger and poof, there goes everything he owns these days.

He can have them save 10,000 wavers with the same affect - nothing. In the USA you can not sign away your rights.

Dick

 

[JoeyInCali]

George Balabushka and Bill Stroud did/do not have 10 full fingers.
I've been to ER twice.
Three times if you count when I drove my mentor to the ER for nearly losing his left hand.

 

[CamposCues]

Accidents

That's what I'm saying, things happen. I wouldn't have anyone in my shop messing around without some type of insurance or legal advice. It's a sue happy nation. Nice guys finish last, you have to cover your own butt or you know what happens.

 

[CamposCues]

Signing Away Rights

He can have them save 10,000 wavers with the same affect - nothing. In the USA you can not sign away your rights.

Dick

I was thinking your right about that but then I remember signing away my rights each time I've had to go under anestesia. Why does that differ?

 

[shakes]

I was thinking your right about that but then I remember signing away my rights each time I've had to go under anestesia. Why does that differ?

Because when most people sign those waivers, they believe as you do(did) that they have no right to sue. The fact of the matter is, that piece of paper means nothing if something happens to you and your family takes them to court.

 

[CamposCues]

Really?

Because when most people sign those waivers, they believe as you do(did) that they have no right to sue. The fact of the matter is, that piece of paper means nothing if something happens to you and your family takes them to court.

So does that means when I go under the knife and Doc has me sign that paper, he's just trying to bluff my family out of sueing if I don't wake up?

 

[JoeyInCali]

So does that means when I go under the knife and Doc has me sign that paper, he's just trying to bluff my family out of sueing if I don't wake up?

They make you sign to agree to an arbitration court.

 

[fordtechandy]

Waivers

I work as an auto tech. My last employer wanted me sign such a waiver and wouln't let me start till i did. I paid to have a lawyer translate it to me. In short it removed my employers liability. Examples (1) if i would smash my hand with a hammer that's my fualt not there's i swung the hammer (2) if the lift would break and a car fell on me not there fualt they had a maintance conntract on the lifts. so that would make that company liable. My lawyer said it would stand up in court also. UNLESS the accident was the direct result of my employer.

So if the waiver is drawn up right you should be safe. So if some body runs there hand threw your table saw. AS LONG AS you properly teach them to use it first not your fualt. It's there since there the one who pushed there hand into the blade.

just my experince and 2 cents

 

[CamposCues]

Good Info

I work as an auto tech. My last employer wanted me sign such a waiver and wouln't let me start till i did. I paid to have a lawyer translate it to me. In short it removed my employers liability. Examples (1) if i would smash my hand with a hammer that's my fualt not there's i swung the hammer (2) if the lift would break and a car fell on me not there fualt they had a maintance conntract on the lifts. so that would make that company liable. My lawyer said it would stand up in court also. UNLESS the accident was the direct result of my employer.

So if the waiver is drawn up right you should be safe. So if some body runs there hand threw your table saw. AS LONG AS you properly teach them to use it first not your fualt. It's there since there the one who pushed there hand into the blade.

just my experince and 2 cents

Thanks for the input. Sounds like a lot of time and money could go into covering your butt. Machinery is pretty unforgiving. I think I'll just keep folks out of my shop to be safe.

 

[fordtechandy]

Thanks for the input. Sounds like a lot of time and money could go into covering your butt. Machinery is pretty unforgiving. I think I'll just keep folks out of my shop to be safe.

The owners wife was a very sharp lawyer. the waiver maid the person who directly cuased the accident lieable and not the owner or his company.

 

[cueman]

Thanks for the input. Sounds like a lot of time and money could go into covering your butt. Machinery is pretty unforgiving. I think I'll just keep folks out of my shop to be safe.

It is easy enough to see why I don't run a in shop cue building school. I have turned down a lot of money a lot of times for in shop training.

 

[conetip]

one thing i know for sure is that you can't learn cuemaking in 28hrs.i have been studying under someone for 4-5 months or something like that now 6 days a week 6hrs a day and i still learn something everyday and i also forget something everyday.i try my hardest to take in and comprehend everything i learn everyday.to me cuebuilding is soemthing that needs to be repeatedly done over and over with instruction to learn properly.it also pays to think before you cut.sometimes i dram a blank and i have to sit there for a few minutes trying to rmember the exact procedure and exact specs of a procedure that i did 40 times just the day before.

"measure twice,cut once"

That is why in tool and die making ,the aprenticeship is 5 years, after that they consider you to be someone who is a serious beginner, or journeyman.
I've been precision machining all my life and , am still learning.

 

[JoeyInCali]

That is why in tool and die making ,the aprenticeship is 5 years, after that they consider you to be someone who is a serious beginner, or journeyman.
I've been precision machining all my life and , am still learning.

And I bet you just love these geniuses who walk in and think they know everything b/c they know Mastercam and Autocad yet have not turned on a lathe in their lives.
Surely, if you can draw it, you can make it .

 

[conetip]

You are right their Joey.But untill recently, we made shapes that the cad cam packages could not draw, but I could make them. Then we would get the question, well how did you do that?
That is the money question, was allways my reply.
Neil

 

[Dave38]

I was just checking the workshop auction, only 13 hrs left. He finally posted pics, they look like blanks bought on line. Kinda takes the fun out of starting from scratch.

 

[conetip]

I think making anything is a good step. You give a newbie too much to think about and all you end up with is a mushed brain and scrap. Nothing wrong with starting with good blanks and materials. They still have to get all the important parts sorted out. Blanking out of ruff is OK, but for 28 hours, there has to be some short cuts. Time is better spent on the finer details of how to make a straight cue and get the joints true, Then they can go home and learn the easier graft later.I mean how many people go out and cut down the tree, then start the making of a Que?
I ma sure some do that. Like a Harp Maker I know . He fells his own trees and gets it milled and dried. The process takes him from felled tree to harps about 10 years. They are some of the best harps in the world. There is also 3 year waiting list with a 50 percent deposit on order. But I digress. But if you think that after a 28 hour course , and you have made a cue thinking you are a cue maker, will be seriously misguided

 

[Cuephoric]

Just under 8 hours to go and no bidder....?
Maybe he should stick to one shop and give a 28 hour course on how to sell on Ebay.
It's bound to save somebody some fingers!