Cue butts
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It does matter indeed. Some players will tell you otherwise for example when you put a 314 shaft on a stick, it performs about equally well...
This is of course not true. Reason being that the balance and weight of the butt will automatically influence how well you can for example accellerate your cue (important during draw strokes). Also, the flexibility of the butt has an influence, even though to a slightly lesser extend (some of you might recall the old Meucci videos, perhaps BS, but there was a difference). Also the joint pin has an influence. I'm no pro to tell you if it eventually changes any fractions on deflection levels. But I have been playing long enough to tell you that the way hit gets transferred into the butt, is affected by the joint pin. Hence how you experience the feel and vibration of the shaft.
The shaft with the tip is the main contact point of the cue ball. But if I had to put numbers on it according to importance, I'd say it's like 55% shaft 45% butt, just to not dare say 50-50.
This is of course not true. Reason being that the balance and weight of the butt will automatically influence how well you can for example accellerate your cue (important during draw strokes). Also, the flexibility of the butt has an influence, even though to a slightly lesser extend (some of you might recall the old Meucci videos, perhaps BS, but there was a difference). Also the joint pin has an influence. I'm no pro to tell you if it eventually changes any fractions on deflection levels. But I have been playing long enough to tell you that the way hit gets transferred into the butt, is affected by the joint pin. Hence how you experience the feel and vibration of the shaft.
The shaft with the tip is the main contact point of the cue ball. But if I had to put numbers on it according to importance, I'd say it's like 55% shaft 45% butt, just to not dare say 50-50.
It does for sure
Imo this where a great cuemaker is getting his reputation: bc he manufactures a solid product where the complete package is perfect.
Se rare cuemaket built kind of an own signature with their cues.
Materials are important: but a waste of money without the necessary craftmenship and knowledge.
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Imo this where a great cuemaker is getting his reputation: bc he manufactures a solid product where the complete package is perfect.
Se rare cuemaket built kind of an own signature with their cues.
Materials are important: but a waste of money without the necessary craftmenship and knowledge.
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i think the Butt is just for Looks ill break down Performance Percentage and just to be clear this is my opinion don't get Mad
Butt = 20% of cue due to Wrap/Grip Feel
Shaft = 40% FeedBack/ Hit Feel
Tip = 20% FeedBack/ Hit Feel
Tip Shape = 20% FeedBack/ Hit Feel,, Good Shape Tip Will get you More English on the Ball Given you better Post For Next Shot
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Butt = 20% of cue due to Wrap/Grip Feel
Shaft = 40% FeedBack/ Hit Feel
Tip = 20% FeedBack/ Hit Feel
Tip Shape = 20% FeedBack/ Hit Feel,, Good Shape Tip Will get you More English on the Ball Given you better Post For Next Shot
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No offense on my reply here, some of those other factors surely matter alot too. But that number isn't being realistic I think (especially mostly referring to wrap/grip feel). I'll explain. If that were to be true, then your statement should be correct for several types of butts. And I honestly don't believe that you have the same playability from say a rear ended butt that ends up making your cue around the 23oz and for example a light weight butt that will end up making your cue around the 18oz.... You can't accelerate either in the same way... Well, honestly, I can't. Perhaps you should give this some thought.
Forgive me I'm Sorry but I don't understand what your trying to say.....?? I was giving rough numbers all I was trying to get across really is all that matters in the Butt is how comfortable it is in your hand SO whatever grip you prefer may that be Wrapless, Leather, Stacked Etc and the Look of the Butt, I think all the Performance comes from above the Joint which is the Shaft & Tip,, Again This is my Opinion
Also as far as the weight of the cue go's yes different weights will perform different to the user
i have several cues from different makers
i play with an ob1 shaft
the major difference in the cues is how it feel in my hands
yet some butts seem to be able to deliver more energy to the cue ball
with the shafts being equal
so i would say shafts are the major "feep/playability"
but the butt adds to the equation\
jmho
Cue butt matters
The cue butt is important.It effects the balance,weight and grip on the cue.The butt of a cue stick is where the majority of the weight is located. A heavier cue stick will have more weight in the butt of the cue stick than a lighter cue stick,which means the balance will be different and the cue stick will feel different in the hands of the player.
The cue butt is important.It effects the balance,weight and grip on the cue.The butt of a cue stick is where the majority of the weight is located. A heavier cue stick will have more weight in the butt of the cue stick than a lighter cue stick,which means the balance will be different and the cue stick will feel different in the hands of the player.
Heck.....The Cue Butt Is Very Important
If you were to order a custom made cue, not just a production cue, but one made to your exact specifications, then you'd appreciate why the cue but is so important.
If you went to a heralded cue-maker, and to avoid quarrels I won't mention any names, and told that cue-maker you wanted your cue to have a certain type cue joint (stainless or ivory), ivory ferrules of a specified length (say 1"), a lizard wrap, maybe even an ivory cue butt and of course, a specific type and number of inlays.......and lastly, the cue had to weigh in at 18.4- 18.5 ozs with any shaft (say you ordered 3 shafts), you'll appreciate why the cue butt is so important.
The cue-makers I have in mind will build you a cue to those exact specifications and will not have to mostly rely upon putting in a heavier or lighter bolt to make that cue play to the specified weight. The cue-maker build the cue with all of its elements in mind and not place undue emphasis on the size and weight of the cue bolt to meet the customer's specified playing weight.
Cue butts and cue butt sleeves are more than just for looks. The final weight balance relationship of the cue stroke and overall feel is definitely affected by the design of the cue and the cue butt/sleeve is an important consideration.......at least in my opinion. The cue-makers that I can name could build your cue to any weight you wanted and it would play within .1 oz (1/10th) of the cue weight you ordered with a weight bolt or without any weight bolt whatsoever. Great cue-makers just seem to make great cues.......go figure.
If you were to order a custom made cue, not just a production cue, but one made to your exact specifications, then you'd appreciate why the cue but is so important.
If you went to a heralded cue-maker, and to avoid quarrels I won't mention any names, and told that cue-maker you wanted your cue to have a certain type cue joint (stainless or ivory), ivory ferrules of a specified length (say 1"), a lizard wrap, maybe even an ivory cue butt and of course, a specific type and number of inlays.......and lastly, the cue had to weigh in at 18.4- 18.5 ozs with any shaft (say you ordered 3 shafts), you'll appreciate why the cue butt is so important.
The cue-makers I have in mind will build you a cue to those exact specifications and will not have to mostly rely upon putting in a heavier or lighter bolt to make that cue play to the specified weight. The cue-maker build the cue with all of its elements in mind and not place undue emphasis on the size and weight of the cue bolt to meet the customer's specified playing weight.
Cue butts and cue butt sleeves are more than just for looks. The final weight balance relationship of the cue stroke and overall feel is definitely affected by the design of the cue and the cue butt/sleeve is an important consideration.......at least in my opinion. The cue-makers that I can name could build your cue to any weight you wanted and it would play within .1 oz (1/10th) of the cue weight you ordered with a weight bolt or without any weight bolt whatsoever. Great cue-makers just seem to make great cues.......go figure.
Do you consider a metal bolt in the A-joint as a weight bolt or not ?