Cue Components has the goods !!

no one is singled out

I think you are all being hard on Joe. He works very hard to treat everyone the same in his business.
None of the people that have done business with him get screwed any harder or deeper than the other.
He gives a new meaning to getting the AAA Superb Snowwhite shaft.
Been there done that. Won't go back.
David
 
ddcuerepair said:
I think you are all being hard on Joe. He works very hard to treat everyone the same in his business.
None of the people that have done business with him get screwed any harder or deeper than the other.
He gives a new meaning to getting the AAA Superb Snowwhite shaft.
Been there done that. Won't go back.
David

Almost every supplier of shaftwood has let me down. I found a couple of good suppliers over the years but most have gone out of business. I expect to throw away at least 50% of the shaftwood I acquire by the first turning. When I get done I am lucky to have 20% of truly nice shaft blanks.
 
same ol' same ol' with Joe

Looks like the same ol' thing with Joe again for me. I tried to call him to place an order today but I didn't get an answer in a few rings and hung up.

A little later the phone rang. I guess Joe saw my number on caller ID. He explained he was covering three phones and didn't manage to grab the line I was on before I hung up. We talked a bit about his products, I placed an order and we talked a bit more about cue making and some personal chat that wasn't business related. UPS showed up on his end and I was busy also so that ended the call. When I got home tonight the UPS auto e-mailer had sent a message that my package was already in the system.

Joe is batting a thousand with me. I'm starting to think it is something in the name. Him, Joe Nielsen, Joe Tucker, all outstanding to do business with.

Hu
 
Truthfully I was put off by the wording of his auctions...particularly the thing about who he won't ship to...to be honest there are so many sources for wood and with me being in Michigan coming across some choice maple isn't a problem...

What it comes down to is you need to perform in an honest way or feel the wrath of the internet...the world is much smaller and word gets around REAL fast....
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Arnot Wadsworth said:
Almost every supplier of shaftwood has let me down. I found a couple of good suppliers over the years but most have gone out of business. I expect to throw away at least 50% of the shaftwood I acquire by the first turning. When I get done I am lucky to have 20% of truly nice shaft blanks.
I understand why.......I live in ontario, I have been quater sawing some sugar maple. The very starighest looking logs do not yeild all straight wood. Cutting a one in. sq. with no grain run off is not easy business , if you are using very expensive veneer maple it is easier. I think it is possible to pick out the very best peices, but time consuming , and a lot of wood leftover..........New on the computer.........will try and get some pictuers of ther wood i have cut soon.......RR
 
Quartersawing 1 x 1

RoblinRebel said:
I understand why.......I live in ontario, I have been quater sawing some sugar maple. The very starighest looking logs do not yeild all straight wood. Cutting a one in. sq. with no grain run off is not easy business , if you are using very expensive veneer maple it is easier. I think it is possible to pick out the very best peices, but time consuming , and a lot of wood leftover..........New on the computer.........will try and get some pictuers of ther wood i have cut soon.......RR

As a former Sawyer I know you have your work cut out for you. There is nothing easy about making 1 x 1 x 30 inch pieces. I congratulate your for taking the time to Quartersaw your logs. When you have some finished product for sale I would be interested to buy some.

Good luck and Stay Safe,
 
I am interested also

Matter of fact I doubt there is a cuemaker on here who isn't always hunting nice wood.

Hu


Arnot Wadsworth said:
As a former Sawyer I know you have your work cut out for you. There is nothing easy about making 1 x 1 x 30 inch pieces. I congratulate your for taking the time to Quartersaw your logs. When you have some finished product for sale I would be interested to buy some.

Good luck and Stay Safe,
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
As a former Sawyer I know you have your work cut out for you. There is nothing easy about making 1 x 1 x 30 inch pieces. I congratulate your for taking the time to Quartersaw your logs. When you have some finished product for sale I would be interested to buy some.

Good luck and Stay Safe,

I totaly agree here. Most people believe it makes no difference if wood is flat sawn or quarter sawn since you can't tell by looking once the piece has been turned round but quarter sawn will stay straighter. There is not as much yield when quarter sawn but the product is much more stable.

Dick
 
yeld

I do understand that good shaft wood is hard to find BUT when you are paying someone to pick out the good wood for you and paying a premo price for it you expect to get what you have paid for. Not scraps. When he tells you snow white tight grain with no runout that is what you should receive. Not shaft wood that the grain looks like a road corse and color is brown with sugar marks running evreywher. Or when you order 1" dowels and ger squares.
I have found a good supplier since and I get a good yeld for my buck. 50% and up.
Joe is in the business of sales and he is going to sell every piece of wood that he gets no matter what it looks like or who gets it.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
 
rhncue said:
I totaly agree here. Most people believe it makes no difference if wood is flat sawn or quarter sawn since you can't tell by looking once the piece has been turned round but quarter sawn will stay straighter. There is not as much yield when quarter sawn but the product is much more stable.

Dick


My understanding has been that quarter sawn is more stable also. The gentleman mentioned the veneer grade logs. It is also My understanding that competing with the veneer industry is another issue of finding good quality shaftwood. Guess It's more profitable used as veneer because there is much less waste. Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
My understanding has been that quarter sawn is more stable also. The gentleman mentioned the veneer grade logs. It is also My understanding that competing with the veneer industry is another issue of finding good quality shaftwood. Guess It's more profitable used as veneer because there is much less waste. Greg

The best blanks come from veneer grade logs as they are the top grade. Years ago Sherm and myself were getting some wood from a guy in northrn Wisconsin adjoing the Michigan Penninsula. This man had his own saw mill and kilns and was in the business of making furniture parts for different furniture companies. He knew nothing about pool but someone he knew was supposed to know about shafts and he started making shaft blanks. We went up one winter to see his operation and equipment. While talking to him he said that it was almost impossible to get the proper wood anymore. He said that when the trees were dropped and cut into logs the different sawyers would come and bid on the logs. He said the bidding would go 70 or 75 cents a board foot and all of a sudden a Japanese buyer would bid 6 or 7 dollars a board foot. He said that they were buying up all of the good woods, taking them to lake Superior, loading them on ships that were equipped with whatever equipment needed to turn the logs into veneer. The ships would cruise thru the great lakes and by the time they got to N.Y. they off loaded the veneer. By doing it this way they were paying more for the logs than they were worth and still have the ability to sell the finished product, the veneer, back to the Americans at a lower price than the Americans could produce it themselves. The ships were portable Japanese factories, cruising our waters without having the taxes or health and safty laws that cover the rest of the industry.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
The best blanks come from veneer grade logs as they are the top grade. Years ago Sherm and myself were getting some wood from a guy in northrn Wisconsin adjoing the Michigan Penninsula. This man had his own saw mill and kilns and was in the business of making furniture parts for different furniture companies. He knew nothing about pool but someone he knew was supposed to know about shafts and he started making shaft blanks. We went up one winter to see his operation and equipment. While talking to him he said that it was almost impossible to get the proper wood anymore. He said that when the trees were dropped and cut into logs the different sawyers would come and bid on the logs. He said the bidding would go 70 or 75 cents a board foot and all of a sudden a Japanese buyer would bid 6 or 7 dollars a board foot. He said that they were buying up all of the good woods, taking them to lake Superior, loading them on ships that were equipped with whatever equipment needed to turn the logs into veneer. The ships would cruise thru the great lakes and by the time they got to N.Y. they off loaded the veneer. By doing it this way they were paying more for the logs than they were worth and still have the ability to sell the finished product, the veneer, back to the Americans at a lower price than the Americans could produce it themselves. The ships were portable Japanese factories, cruising our waters without having the taxes or health and safty laws that cover the rest of the industry.

Dick

WOW...that's pretty lowlife...I bet there were some labor laws being broken....
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absolutely..........a fellow only 20 min,s from me owns 700 acres of wood.......all the veneer maple is sold for $1000 a log....8ftx16 in min.........shipped to europe and east..........I'm tryin to buy logs that are just a little to small to grade.........but they are pretty dear to.....lol.......I,m working on it....lol
 
rhncue said:
The best blanks come from veneer grade logs as they are the top grade. Years ago Sherm and myself were getting some wood from a guy in northrn Wisconsin adjoing the Michigan Penninsula. This man had his own saw mill and kilns and was in the business of making furniture parts for different furniture companies. He knew nothing about pool but someone he knew was supposed to know about shafts and he started making shaft blanks. We went up one winter to see his operation and equipment. While talking to him he said that it was almost impossible to get the proper wood anymore. He said that when the trees were dropped and cut into logs the different sawyers would come and bid on the logs. He said the bidding would go 70 or 75 cents a board foot and all of a sudden a Japanese buyer would bid 6 or 7 dollars a board foot. He said that they were buying up all of the good woods, taking them to lake Superior, loading them on ships that were equipped with whatever equipment needed to turn the logs into veneer. The ships would cruise thru the great lakes and by the time they got to N.Y. they off loaded the veneer. By doing it this way they were paying more for the logs than they were worth and still have the ability to sell the finished product, the veneer, back to the Americans at a lower price than the Americans could produce it themselves. The ships were portable Japanese factories, cruising our waters without having the taxes or health and safty laws that cover the rest of the industry.

Dick
You must mean Chinese, Dick. The Japanese are very concientious about tax payment as its been ingrained into their society. It's what helped them rebuild after WW2. Japanese are also very much aware of health and safety laws and religiously follow such that's why they're living longer and healthier lives.

Ship based sawmill and kiln is more Chinese and this is how they are able to make all the low-cost production cues. Load up No. American maple logs and unload boards in China. The waste is dumped along the way or turned to particle boards for pool tables and self-assemble furniture that makes the return trip for another load of logs.
 
RoblinRebel said:
absolutely..........a fellow only 20 min,s from me owns 700 acres of wood.......all the veneer maple is sold for $1000 a log....8ftx16 in min.........shipped to europe and east..........I'm tryin to buy logs that are just a little to small to grade.........but they are pretty dear to.....lol.......I,m working on it....lol
That's around $8/bd-ft on the yield of an 8'x16" minus waste. That's still pretty good since a linear foot of 6" wide x 0.35mm thick is around $0.18 so a bd-ft equivalent in veneers is $25.20.
 
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