Cue Conversion

[3kushn]

I guess I'd go with the Kozoom cues.

Hard to believe that a $35 cue is worth having but who knows. I'd think you could get the money back but still a risk.

You could go to www.carombilliards.com and see what else he has. He used to be the Secretary of the USBA.

 

[SlickRick_PCS]

I would not go lower than 18oz. My cue is 18.3oz and I still think it's too light to play 3 cushion. With a cue lower than 18oz, you will not get enough power.

The purpose of Carom, WesleyW, is that there has to be a certain "feel" for their own speed control. Since it does make a significant difference when stroking a shot hard (making the angles short) or when hitting a shot soft (longer) a light cue will make much of a difference.

In your case, you play pool pretty often (or you play some carom, I don't know). Lighter cues for pool have a tendancy to become shot making while heavier cues are more for cueball control.
That's why you don't see so many carom players with very heavy cues (except for Fantasy), because they want some control of their stroke, how to pinpoint shooting the OB, and where the OB will make landfall for better positioning for the other shot.

Because you got to remember: professional Carom players are similar to pool players on one thing... and that's positioning their object ball for the next shot.

 

[WesleyW]

The purpose of Carom, WesleyW, is that there has to be a certain "feel" for their own speed control. Since it does make a significant difference when stroking a shot hard (making the angles short) or when hitting a shot soft (longer) a light cue will make much of a difference.

In your case, you play pool pretty often (or you play some carom, I don't know). Lighter cues for pool have a tendancy to become shot making while heavier cues are more for cueball control.
That's why you don't see so many carom players with very heavy cues (except for Fantasy), because they want some control of their stroke, how to pinpoint shooting the OB, and where the OB will make landfall for better positioning for the other shot.

Because you got to remember: professional Carom players are similar to pool players on one thing... and that's positioning their object ball for the next shot.

I know, but carom balls are bigger and heavier. When playing 3C it's more easier to use a little heavier cue, because you can transfer more power, without using more acceleration. To you, 18-19oz on a billiard cue might sounds like heavy, but on the other hand, poolplayers are using also around 19oz to play pool. I don't know if you have tried to play 3C with a 17oz cue, it's really hard to do that.

 

[WesleyW]

Thank you very much for your help guys, I deciced to leave the cues as they are, as eze123 said, why destroy a good pool cue if I'm going to buy a carom cue anyway. And besides, from what you guys told me it seems that the modification wouldn't help much. I just got a job at school as a french and spanish tutor and have decided to save all the money I make there to buy a couple of carom cues in France, one for me and one for my dad. That is another reason why I love this game, because now my dad has become my best friend . Since I will be in France I'll put this link guys just in case any of you has the time to take a look at them and maybe advise me which cue would be good for me. Please remember that I've been playing, well that we, my dad and I, have been playing only for 4 months so we need a beginner's cue. I'm willing to spend 100 euros for each cue, which is around 140 dlls, unfortunataly that would be all I can afford, but to me it sounds reasonable because I'm a beginner. So I would spend 200 euros for both cues, maybe a little more. Since the webpage is in french, I'll leave some translations . Plus ?lev?s = Highest, Plus bas = lowest, toutes marques = all the brands. And I also found a carom cue in ebay selling for 35 bucks plus 25 shipping and handling. Take a look at it and let me know what you think. Thanks !!!

French Site
http://www.kozoom.com/fr/general/boutique-billard/12/11/

Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carom-Billiard-...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ebay:
I will not buy that, it has a metal joint. You will have more "feel" with a wooden joint.

French Site:
Go for the Buffalo or Adam.

 

[carom player]

Interesting experiment. Gut feeling is it won't help much. If you do it you may need to change the ferrule material. Short ferrules tend to crack if not the right stuff. Look it up in Ask The Cue Maker. You might just bring this wole matter to those guys anyway.

The main difference is the taper and stiffness of your shafts vs carom shafts not ferrule length.

Beside taper and ferrule length, you might consider wood joint for Carom game.

 

[SlickRick_PCS]

I know, but carom balls are bigger and heavier. When playing 3C it's more easier to use a little heavier cue, because you can transfer more power, without using more acceleration.

Well, let me correct you on this one, Wesley (and might I add, I know some people get insulted to be corrected so if you're one of those, please forgive me):

Pool cues have the thread in the butt section and the shaft has the female. Usually pool cues are legendary for having a pro-taper. Although one can customize a shaft to become European (Predator has their Zs already in European). It will not just (as you said) for playing on those bigger balls.

Now carom cues on the other hand have a wooden thread on their shaft and their female on the butt section of the cue.

About weight of a cue: Pool is completely different from carom. Weight from Pool is more about trying to pot a ball into the pocket while Carom is (depending from what game) either hitting two balls in one stroke or hitting one ball, finding the angle to make another carombole. Now let's put Straight Rail (a.k.a. Freegame or libre) and Balkline (a.k.a. cadre): both of their objectives are to hit one ball to another in one stroke. They are shots at times which require some serious masse shots (and not the mostrous ones you see on trick shot magic). There is no such thing as exchanging cues throughout the match; you have to stick with that one only cue throughout the whole time making billiards. So professionals would perfer a light cue (16.5oz - 17) just so that they can elevate their cues with ease. I mean, I wouldn't swing around with a 25oz cue playing such a tiny game as Straight Rail.

To you, 18-19oz on a billiard cue might sounds like heavy, but on the other hand, poolplayers are using also around 19oz to play pool.

LOL, no it's not. BTW, it's kinda funny you said that, because I was at Fast Eddies last night and I played with a 12mm 21oz house cue the whole time and my gaming felt pretty nice. Besides saying that, I am wishing on my lucky stars that I am going to get myself a 25-26oz Dieckman Masse Cue so I'll like to see how that goes .

I don't know if you have tried to play 3C with a 17oz cue, it's really hard to do that

Acutally, I have a friend who owns a Carom cue of like around a 17.75 oz and I was awestrucked when I felt it. It's like you have control of a piece of art. Payed $400 or so in Mexico.

 

[Hernan7]

Thank you very much for your help guys, I guess I'm going to have to wait until I go to France to get a pair of carom cues. In the meantime we will continue playing with our pool cues without modifing them. I'm glad I asked about the modification before doing something wrong to the cues. By the way, did any of you look at the Dani Sanchez cues?. They look good and I can afford them, the ones I liked cost like 102 euros, and the other one I like costs 75 euros. If any of you looked at them please let me know what you think.

 

[3kushn]

I think the Sanchez cues "look" fine but I had a girlfriend once that looked really fine. I married someone else.
Try it before you buy it. You're on your way to France. Take advantage of that. I know you really want to get something soon but you don't have the cash to burn. Buying on looks is risky.

As far as weight is concerned I can get as many rails with my 18 oz Dieckman as I can with my 19.5 Longoni. Power comes from the stroke not the weight of the cue.

And a far as playing pool goes. I don't play much pool but when I do I'll find the lightest cue on the rack. If they had a 14 oz available I'd pick that one. I can't play pool well at all with 19 and above.