Cue Design Theft?

SSach said:
Jimbo,

What gives? How can you continue on with your crap and think you are proving a point? Next time you say "a cuemaker is a thief" post the pic of the original including circa date so we can see it for ourselves. All of the cues that I have seen have similar traits to other cuemakers, but can be identified by even the most novice cue enthusiast not to be Balabushka/G Szamboti/ Ginacue/etc....

I hope you can provide some examples...looking forward to the pics...

PS... How could you not tell that those cues were Phillippi's? Bad pics LOL
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I could tell, to make a point I said they had better be Gina cues. I am sorry you missed the point, I'm also sorry that you aren't knowledgeable to know those 2 very famous designs. Pick up any bluebook you can find and search out the Ginacue 3oth anniversary cue, you can judge for yourself. Anyone who has spent any time around cues can tell those 2 designs from across the room and you know when you see one just who made it. If you want to sound like a complete fool (JoeV) you can call them inspired, the fact is they are stolen designs and someone should be ashamed. I would bet if you ask the maker he will freely admit he stole the design. Ask anyone who designs their own cues what they think, shit ask anyone with a clue. Guy's who take their bosses opinion on all things related to cues so they don't lose their once a year gig don't count ;-)

Jim
 
SSach said:
Jimbo,

Next time you say "a cuemaker is a thief" post the pic of the original including circa date so we can see it for ourselves. All of the cues that I have seen have similar traits to other cuemakers, but can be identified by even the most novice
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Sach please find pics of these cues and look at them before you jump on the idiot band wagon, I really need to know if you have any idea how dumb what you wrote just sounded. wait let me help you out.


http://www.ilovecues.com/cuemakers/s-gina/g-2.html

ok have fun.
in closing let me say Phillippi is a thief, I have no problem saying it here or to his face, although I doubt he would deny saying he took that design from Ernie.

Jim
 
Let's try this again

Jimbo,

Please find me a Direct Copy from Ernie... The cues look similar, but have different ring work, butt caps, I am sure the points wont match and if we did a comparison and put the cues side by side anyone can tell Ernie's cue from Phillippi.

Find me a direct copy.... Learn how to read... an exact copy and circa date please. Funny how we went from exact copies to close enough (which this is not).
 
JimBo said:
I could tell, to make a point I said they had better be Gina cues. I am sorry you missed the point, I'm also sorry that you aren't knowledgeable to know those 2 very famous designs. Pick up any bluebook you can find and search out the Ginacue 3oth anniversary cue, you can judge for yourself. Anyone who has spent any time around cues can tell those 2 designs from across the room and you know when you see one just who made it. If you want to sound like a complete fool (JoeV) you can call them inspired, the fact is they are stolen designs and someone should be ashamed. I would bet if you ask the maker he will freely admit he stole the design. Ask anyone who designs their own cues what they think, shit ask anyone with a clue. Guy's who take their bosses opinion on all things related to cues so they don't lose their once a year gig don't count ;-)

Jim
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Whose the fool.. PLEASE take Jims advice and find a picture of the 30th anniversary Gina.. LOLOLOLOLOL no wonder he can't tell a "whole cue copy" from an inspired cue.. ROTFLMAO... what a tard... HAHAHAHAH its not even the same cue.. HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

Hey at least in my once a year gig, I can see the cues that are in front of me HAHAHAHAH *snort* hahahahahahahahah

Joe (... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH 30th anniversary.. hahahahahahahah
 
JimBo said:
Joe at first I thought it was just an act, thanks for proving what a total fool you are. The 2 cues at the beginning of this thread are complete rip-offs, everything other then the ring work and my guess is the gina rings were too much work. If you agree with other idiots that they are designs that go back 50+ years then I guess I gave you more credit then you deserved. I'm not shocked that you have no clue what a design is when talking about cues, but maybe Mark didn't get that far in your education. As far as having a good laugh about me goes don't worry we had a good laugh about you also, don't forget sometimes salesman know how to play both sides against the middle. Also for you to make a comment that the only reason I said this was due to respect for Ernie is a complete joke, it boils down to something you lack, an eye for cues and common sense. I'd hate for one of Mark's idols to agree with me cause you'd look like an even bigger fool when you tried to back pedal. I've been very consistent from day one sorry the truth doesn't fit your little rants.

Jim
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No they are not "complete" rip offs.. complete means from top to bottom. Copy = to duplicate. The fact that there are differences in the cues show they are "inspired". You clueless nit. No where did I say I agreed that these are 50 year old designs, so don't add crap to detract from the truth of the matter. Whole cue is whole cue. You're the one with no common sense, and the one thats ranting. Stick to your story pal.. I know its easy for you to post distractions when you are getting beat like an egg in a blender, but sorry you're down again. But I guess you like going down... :)

Joe
 
Ok, this thread is getting a little out of hand. If anything, Ernie would be proud that a cue of his was so appreciated that somebody decided to make one just like it. And it's not just Phillipi, check out the 'Snakewood Cue' at www.billschickoriginals.com.

What am I talking about, Bill Schick must be a copycat, cue design thief just like Phillipi.

LOL

Give it up on this thread. I for one am actually excited about the first Phillipi pictured, because I can probably buy it for a fraction of what Ernie would charge me for it, and I think it's one of the nicest designs ever.

You people are being ridiculous arguing about this kind of stuff. Go out and play some pool and enjoy the sport.
 
accdealer said:
Ok, this thread is getting a little out of hand. If anything, Ernie would be proud that a cue of his was so appreciated that somebody decided to make one just like it.

LOL you are a fool and don't know ernie at all, you shouldn't speak for someone when you have no clue

And it's not just Phillipi, check out the 'Snakewood Cue' at www.billschickoriginals.com.

What am I talking about, Bill Schick must be a copycat, cue design thief just like Phillipi.
That cue is not even close to comparing the other two, it's close but nothing like what Phillippi did, of course IMO.

LOL

Yes LOL

Give it up on this thread. I for one am actually excited about the first Phillipi pictured, because I can probably buy it for a fraction of what Ernie would charge me for it, and I think it's one of the nicest designs ever.

If you can't afford a ginacue there is nothing that says you should be allowed to have someone who you can afford steal it for you.

You people are being ridiculous arguing about this kind of stuff. Go out and play some pool and enjoy the sport.
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What else is there to argue about?

Jim
 
classiccues said:
Whose the fool.. PLEASE take Jims advice and find a picture of the 30th anniversary Gina.. LOLOLOLOLOL no wonder he can't tell a "whole cue copy" from an inspired cue.. ROTFLMAO... what a tard... HAHAHAHAH its not even the same cue.. HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

Hey at least in my once a year gig, I can see the cues that are in front of me HAHAHAHAH *snort* hahahahahahahahah

Joe (... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH 30th anniversary.. hahahahahahahah
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You're right Joe it's not the anniversary cue, I'm not a Ginacue expert, just smart enough to tell when someone who doesn't have the skill or ability to come up with original designs steals someone elses. LOL LOL LOL LOL ROTFLMAO LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHA!!!! LOL LOL LOL Yeah I guess I can do that too, it's kinda fun in a 3rd grade sort of way, now I can see why you'd do all that LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA You really got me there Joe, WOW!!!! That must make you right then, that cue must not be a copy of a Ginacue design because I called it by the wrong name LOL LOL LOL LOL HaHaHaHaHaHa ROTF LMAO LOL LOL. Oh shit I forgot to snort. It's always been a common practice to pick on one unrelated point and then just focus on it when you really have no clue what the real debate is about. LOL LOL LOL LOL HA HA HA HA SNORT.Those phillippi's aren't counterfeited cues, but they are design knockoffs, you can feel free to ask any cuemaker worth his salt what he thinks and get back to me or you can take the word of a part time cue salesman wannabe and some other fool who likes the copy because he can't afford the real cue in the first place. LOL LOL That was funny LOL Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Jim
 
actually, my cue collection is quite expensive and extensive. i could afford the gina and whatever else i want to buy. as far as not knowing ernie, i challenge you to find someone else that could get a similiar cue to the one pictured in 3-4 months time. ernie promised it to me in september for a new years delivery if i was interested in having it made.

jimbo, try to know who you are talking about before you start flapping your lips. i could probably wholesale one of my cues and buy out your entire collection, that is, if you have one.

joe has more exotic cue knowledge in his pinky than you probably have total billiard knowledge.
 
JimBo said:
You're right Joe it's not the anniversary cue, I'm not a Ginacue expert, just smart enough to tell when someone who doesn't have the skill or ability to come up with original designs steals someone elses. You really got me there Joe, WOW!!!! That must make you right then, that cue must not be a copy of a Ginacue design because I called it by the wrong name LOL LOL LOL LOL HaHaHaHaHaHa ROTF LMAO LOL LOL. Jim
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This just goes to show your incompetence in identification. So one can argue that your idiotic statements, especially the fact they change quite often, can be associated with the fact you are spouting off stuff just to sound smart. When is reality when shown a real 30th anniversary one could summarize and safely assume you might think it was a Mali.

JimBo said:
It's always been a common practice to pick on one unrelated point and then just focus on it when you really have no clue what the real debate is about.
Jim
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Since this is how you have spent your entire internet life I guess you know more about it than anyone in the business.

Joe
 
accdealer said:
actually, my cue collection is quite expensive and extensive. i could afford the gina and whatever else i want to buy. as far as not knowing ernie, i challenge you to find someone else that could get a similiar cue to the one pictured in 3-4 months time. ernie promised it to me in september for a new years delivery if i was interested in having it made.

jimbo, try to know who you are talking about before you start flapping your lips. i could probably wholesale one of my cues and buy out your entire collection, that is, if you have one.

If you knew Ernie you would know how he feels about people stealing his designs, if you think he's flattered you are so dead wrong you have no idea. Don't make a dumb statement like that and then tell me that I need to know more about you before I comment. You are wrong, very wrong and if you are such pals with Ernie call and ask him his thoughts, mention Mottey and mention Phillippi, then get back to me, if you don't care to do that then please stop making false claims. As far as selling a cue and buying my whole collection goes, I've never claimed to have any collection, so I'm not sure if you're an idiot or bragging just to impress all the other Meucci owning morons.

joe has more exotic cue knowledge in his pinky than you probably have total billiard knowledge.
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Joe does know quit a bit about cues, that doesn't make him right on this issue, he said "it's ok to copy any cue because there can only be one original" I happen to think that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So we disagree, that doesn't mean he doesn't have some cue knowledge.

Jim
 
classiccues said:
This just goes to show your incompetence in identification. So one can argue that your idiotic statements, especially the fact they change quite often, can be associated with the fact you are spouting off stuff just to sound smart. When is reality when shown a real 30th anniversary one could summarize and safely assume you might think it was a Mali.

Joe the point was not relevant, I wasn't trying to identify the cue and name it I was talking about a design, I knew who made it, what he calls it doesn't matter. The fact that it's a Ginacue original is all that matters and in this case it wasn't even I who posted it to make the point. I could have easily opened the bluebook and saw that it wasn't the 30th, but again who cares. What should alarm you is the fact that you can look at it and think it wasn't a copy. You don't have the ability to see that work went into that design. You want people to think this was JUST butterfly in between points something being done for 100+ years. That is something to worry about and LMAO about, not the fact that I had the wrong name for the cue. But again keep laughing it makes you seem very smart.



Since this is how you have spent your entire internet life I guess you know more about it than anyone in the business.

Joe
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I never claim to know more then anyone, I am giving an opinion that I know for a fact is shared by many more knowledgeable people then me, and many of the top cuemakers. I'm here giving an opinion I find it funny that many people are getting very mad because they disagree with it. We can debate who's right and what constitutes a copy or theft and what exactly is a Design, but why anyone feels they need to get mad and personal is beyond me. Either you think stealing a design is Ok or you don't, selling one cue wholesale and buying my whole collection isn't relevant and neither is the name on the cue that was copied. Just my opinion as always.

Jim
 
people tend to get mad when you refer to them as morons and idiots. but then, that fact is not in the blue book, is it?
 
JimBo Bob Boy

You sure know how to make friends. You come on here and call people liars and thiefs. What did you expect dude? Everybody is going to agree with the all knowing JimBo. I think not!!! These people know a hell of a lot more about cues than you ever will, yet no one agrees with you. Why not just give it up. You my friend are the liar. Ohh, that's just my humble opinion. I can have one too. LOL, LMAO, LMFAO, LAY (Laughing At You). Came up with that one myself.
Purdman ;)
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
You sure know how to make friends.

What made you think I was looking for friends? I could have easily kissed everyone's ass and agreed with whatever you or Joe posts like Larry and then I'd be welcome? Who needs that?

You come on here and call people liars and thiefs.

Only the ones who lied and stole.

What did you expect dude? Everybody is going to agree with the all knowing JimBo.

Not all knowing and don't care if YOU agree, just gave an opinion and wanted to hear some others. So far I haven't heard from anyone with one worth even thinking about.

I think not!!!

That's fine.

These people know a hell of a lot more about cues than you ever will,

You don't know me and you prolly don't know much about them, that statement is uneducated and ridiculous, but don't worry I'm sure it'll make you some friends and that seems to be what you're concerned with anyway. right??

yet no one agrees with you.

Many people agree with me, many people who matter and who are a part of what goes on, they just choose not to roll in the mud with small time wannabes who hang around here and just talk. Some people talk about it some people do it, know what I mean? Who's opinion do you think matters more the guy who came up with the design and built the cue or the guy who claims he can pay to have one made if he wanted?

Why not just give it up. You my friend are the liar.

And I lied about??

Ohh, that's just my humble opinion.

You're welcome to it, but really it has more to do with how to make friends and nothing to do with cue designs and as I already told you Don I'm not here to join your lil club.

I can have one too. LOL, LMAO, LMFAO, LAY (Laughing At You). Came up with that one myself.

Feel free to laugh at me, I hope that I can educate you as well as put a smile on your face, so far it seems you're too busy laughing to learn anything. But then again I'm sure you know too much already since you've been at this for all of 6 years now LOL.
Purdman ;)
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Thanks for your thoughts on how to fit in and make pals Don, someday I'm sure it'll help me out in life :-)

Jim
 
SSach said:
Jimbo,

Please find me a Direct Copy from Ernie... The cues look similar, but have different ring work, butt caps, I am sure the points wont match and if we did a comparison and put the cues side by side anyone can tell Ernie's cue from Phillippi.

Find me a direct copy.... Learn how to read... an exact copy and circa date please. Funny how we went from exact copies to close enough (which this is not).
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Jimbo you tell people that Scruggs can make a Bushka line because they are not direct copies. Than you tell us that Phillippi is a "thief" because ..... Oh I still can't figure this out. I guess you didn't find that exact copy for me.
 
Jimbo: You're not much better in your attitude than that Chrisonline guy you were shouting at in the other thread. Everybody here is expressing their own opinions, most of them not agreeing with you. In very few threads has there been personal attacks and name calling directed towards you. In most of your posts, though, you resort to name calling and personal attacks because other people have expressed different opinions.
 
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