Cue Lathe vs Metal Lathes

JoeyInCali said:
Now, what one person calls accurate, another would call slop. I have a J-2 collet system on one lathe for accuracy. It runs out less than .0001.

I guess that's where you install pins and inserts.
Joey~officially jealous~
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Where did you get your j2?? I have 5c but it isn't big enough....
 
RDCustomCues said:
Ok well we all know how everone feels on this subject ;)

Does anyone make small parts or do any work with the 7x10 size lathes. If so what are you using them to make. I know the capabilities are minimal but I have on just collecting dust. I need ideas to put it to work.
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I have a micro lux 7x 14 that I use for tips, ferrules, making ferrules, making up sets of trim rings on a dowel then core them to be the same I.D.
I made an adaptor to extend the length so I could do a wrap once, now I use it with the adaptor to put epoxy sealer on a butt when my atlas 10 x 54" is being used. It has a variable speed moter with digital readout of speed, so I can turn something at 15rpm if I want. Over all those small lathes can be real handy.
Dave
 
Dave38 said:
I have a micro lux 7x 14 that I use for tips, ferrules, making ferrules, making up sets of trim rings on a dowel then core them to be the same I.D.
I made an adaptor to extend the length so I could do a wrap once, now I use it with the adaptor to put epoxy sealer on a butt when my atlas 10 x 54" is being used. It has a variable speed moter with digital readout of speed, so I can turn something at 15rpm if I want. Over all those small lathes can be real handy.
Dave
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I am thinking of extending the ways on mine so i can do wraps and shafts And joint work between centers, I guess I would need a bigger 4 jaw chuck as well.
 
RocketQ said:
Where did you get your j2?? I have 5c but it isn't big enough....
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They are pretty expensive. I got lucky and got mine off of e-bay. The man had it listed wrong and no one really knew what he was trying to sell. I got the whole front of his Hardinge lathe spindle with a D-6 mount, the closer with a D-6
plate and a set of collets that run from .125 through 1.375. I had to make an adapter for my Jet lathe so that I could mount the front of the Hardinge spindle and get every thing running true. Took a little time making the adapter as I had picked up a 6" piece of steel bar that had to be bored out to 2.375 and threads cut and the register ground. Once on the lathe it had to be turned down from 6" to something like 3.5 and then threads cut into that. It's not used nearly enough for the aggravation I went through setting it up. I have a 3 phase motor with a VFD on it so if you are making parts like ferrules, joints, butt caps and such you don't need to turn of the lathe. Just throw in reverse, remove part, slide in new part and put back in forward.

You are right, I believe one of the most important tasks in building a cue is insuring that the pin is as close to perfectly centered as possible. It's not nearly as important when building a cue as the shaft is going to be fitted and sanded before the finish is put on anyway. However, down the road when someone else needs to make a shaft for it is when the troubles and aggravation arise. This is why all of my cues use the radial pin, they're just so easy to install straight and centered

Dick
 
Does anyone have any links to extendin the ways for a mini lathe as well as other useful mods. I have only cut threads off stainless bolts for gun parts with it and absolutely nothing else. Just would like to put it to good use.

I have a cue lathe chris is building me and a modified wood lathe i did repairs on. Next purchase will be a full size lathe and maybe a milling machine.
 
cueman said:
Unique Products offers thread milling attachment for their cue maker lathe. I have thread milling on my own Deluxe Cue Smith and am odering the parts to make copies as an attachment to sell for the Deluxe customers. I have taken this month and redone the Advanced DVD's, invented some new things and made a trip to Missouri. I also built a cue butt with 24 inch long v-groove points over the top of full splice butterflies. That is something I have never seen done before. So I
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oh~~~~~ very very good news...

be a honor Deluxe Cue Smith user , this is very electrifying news

Order...order...order....:D
 
rhncue said:
As far as Dave is concerned, you state that because he made a mistake in estimating the weight of a lathe is no reason to be called a fool. You conveniently left out the rest of the reasons such as your lathe is a fraction of the cost of a full size lathe when in actuality it usually is much more expensive. I asked a number of other questions to which he responded yes, but never bothered to respond to each question. Later he said that time is money and he couldn't take the time. I agree, time is money and with that said perhaps you would like to agree with him on the questions asked.
1. can you set up a coring bit and start coring in less than a minute?
2. can you go from using a router to taper the butt to using a boring bar to install a pin in less than a minute?
3. I can make my own pins, metal joints and inserts, can you?
4. I can chuck up what ever I want and know it will run true with out the need for shims to make it run true, can you?
Dick
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1. can you set up a coring bit and start coring in less than a minute?
Yes!

2. can you go from using a router to taper the butt to using a boring bar to install a pin in less than a minute? Yes!

3. I can make my own pins, metal joints and inserts, can you? No! But like you said, you don't and I don't. Even on my metal lathe.

4. I can chuck up what ever I want and know it will run true with out the need for shims to make it run true, can you? Yes, true enough, within .001".

Another side note was someone was buying a Midsize not a Deluxe and it was a fraction of the cost of a large metal lathe. You missed that point and mistakenly thought they were spending $2800 instead of $1400. You also failed to see doing portable repairs was a main goal. So misunderstanding their intentions caused you to get upset over nothing. I still bet you would have said they were exaggerating if they said my lathe would do all I mentioned in my first paragraph. You really used to cut leather wraps, double seamed on the metal lathe? Wow, I thought I came up with that idea. I guess there really is nothing new under the sun.
 
IMO, I don't think cue maker can do anything without help

for example , where are your woods? you plant your own wood for
cue making?

do you have your own tips? or you will buy Morri tips?

why I must build my own pin? I will buy this pin through
atlasbilliards or other supplier

:)
 
cueman said:
1. can you set up a coring bit and start coring in less than a minute?
Yes!

2. can you go from using a router to taper the butt to using a boring bar to install a pin in less than a minute? Yes!

3. I can make my own pins, metal joints and inserts, can you? No! But like you said, you don't and I don't. Even on my metal lathe.

4. I can chuck up what ever I want and know it will run true with out the need for shims to make it run true, can you? Yes, true enough, within .001".

Another side note was someone was buying a Midsize not a Deluxe and it was a fraction of the cost of a large metal lathe. You missed that point and mistakenly thought they were spending $2800 instead of $1400. You also failed to see doing portable repairs was a main goal. So misunderstanding their intentions caused you to get upset over nothing. I still bet you would have said they were exaggerating if they said my lathe would do all I mentioned in my first paragraph. You really used to cut leather wraps, double seamed on the metal lathe? Wow, I thought I came up with that idea. I guess there really is nothing new under the sun.
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well said chris. if i remember that was my answer to all the same questions. so what ill but my own pins...

as far as me not doing my homework you are very wrong there kj. for the moeny chris lathe is more versitile than cc or porper.

once again i mean no disrespect to any other products.

also i have every option for chris lathe for about 2000$ that abso is a fraction of the cost of a full size lathe

i was being a smarta$$ when i said 2 tons. 1200 lbs still isnt 40 lbs. but since were being so exact 7/8 is a fraction so is 99/100

chris that wasnt ment for you by the way
 
Strokerz said:
I have seen a lot of repairmen use the 7x10 with extended ways at tourneys. Babyface has one. How much does this cost to have done? I have one I have been thinking about extending. With the extended ways you can do joint owrk between centers as well. Did you extend the feed screw as well? Thanks!
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http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1284&category=

Maybe you could use this to extend the lathe
Mount the extra bed about a foot away and move your tailstock to it
 
Adonisy said:
IMO, I don't think cue maker can do anything without help

for example , where are your woods? you plant your own wood for
cue making?

do you have your own tips? or you will buy Morri tips?

why I must build my own pin? I will buy this pin through
atlasbilliards or other supplier

:)
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If you research the American slang 'pissing contest' you will better understand what is going on here.
 
WilleeCue said:
If you research the American slang 'pissing contest' you will better understand what is going on here.
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:rolleyes: :D :D :D So true that You could bank on It. Maybe this thread should have had the title "Which lathe Is right for my needs";)

Comparing Apples and oranges here My friends.:)
 
WilleeCue said:
If you research the American slang 'pissing contest' you will better understand what is going on here.
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'Pissing contest', that's dead on. I'm very familiar with the term but had been too blinded by my involvement in the thread to realize that's exactly what a productive discussion had turned into. I'm done with it.
If the BIG-GUNS want to take more shots at each other, they'll do it without my support for either side. I've made my contributions and it's time to move on. I'm just too damn busy for any further involvement in a pissing match although my prostrate would say otherwise. My summary for what I've gleaned from the discussion would be that dedicated cue lathes exist for the purpose of building cues, as they were designed to but don't expect them to do much more than that, while a metal lathe has the capacity to not only build cues but do everything else that may come through the door. See ya, KJ
 
KJ Cues said:
'Pissing contest', that's dead on. I'm very familiar with the term but had been too blinded by my involvement in the thread to realize that's exactly what a productive discussion had turned into. I'm done with it.
If the BIG-GUNS want to take more shots at each other, they'll do it without my support for either side. I've made my contributions and it's time to move on. I'm just too damn busy for any further involvement in a pissing match although my prostrate would say otherwise. My summary for what I've gleaned from the discussion would be that dedicated cue lathes exist for the purpose of building cues, as they were designed to but don't expect them to do much more than that, while a metal lathe has the capacity to not only build cues but do everything else that may come through the door. See ya, KJ
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I can't join the pissing contest.
I only have one metal lathe and one taper machine.:D
Joey~Wishes he had the room for more turners~
 
Speaking of p---ing contests. When I was working tournaments back at the Wagon Wheel this new player named Cliff Joiner showed up with a group of partying backers. They would keep him in action all the time. When times were slow they having loaded up on too much beer bet that one of them could stand on one side of the large dumpster out back and urinate across it without hitting the dumpster. They won the bet. Now that was a real p---ing contest. I don't think we had one of those here. I just think someone who had never used a specific cue lathe assumed it would not do what it will and became insulting about it. This upset the less experienced repairman and the contest of whatever type it was began. I stepped in to set things straight, having used both machines extensively and know full well the advantages and disadvantages of each. So I was more being a referee than a contestant. I called unsportsman like conduct on one contestant. There are no winners and the game is called for bad weather. That is my ruling as self appointed referee and the game is over. :)
 
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