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[slim234]

OldTips

Am I the only person here that has had good expensive tips, de laminate, and then the suppliers. i had a new expensive, won't mentions the maker to avoid any conflict , here. I was told the tips i received were old and rotted . The once on my cue , shot great for about two hours, then it started hitting funny, as if it went flat, but it still had it's shape.

Really, how do we know we're not buying tips that have been laying around somewhere dry rotting. They usually look fine, at first

 

[cuemaker03]

Never had a problem. Were they installed correctly?

 

[Renegade_56]

Really, how do we know we're not buying tips that have been laying around somewhere dry rotting. They usually look fine, at first

You don't, it's the nature of all brands across the board to have some degree of inconsistency, and is probably not the fault on the seller or the installer when they play different.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Wet the sides when trimming.

 

[cueman]

Am I the only person here that has had good expensive tips, de laminate, and then the suppliers. i had a new expensive, won't mentions the maker to avoid any conflict , here. I was told the tips i received were old and rotted . The once on my cue , shot great for about two hours, then it started hitting funny, as if it went flat, but it still had it's shape.

Really, how do we know we're not buying tips that have been laying around somewhere dry rotting. They usually look fine, at first

I won't mention brand names either, but I will say a few of the layered tips go flat on their hit after some play and never play good again. While others actually play better once broken in. As far as delaminating that has not been much of a problem on any of the major brand tips even when they have some age on them, provided they were installed properly and never touched afterwards with one of those mushroom removing tools people carry in their cases. Those things will delaminate a layered tip really fast.

 

[TomHay]

I can't say much without giving the whole ballgame away. The resins (adhesives) and leather are two seperate issues. Its not just stacking and gluing. The leather itself must be of fine quality and treated so it will not lose its memory or it will go flat on hit even though it keeps its shape or appears to as you have cut shaped it.

The Resins or adhesvies again must have memory plus the ability to withstand heat. This mainly starts at the lathe using something dull to cut with which would even include a dull razor blade. You start grinding rather than cutting which builds heat. A Urethane resin will break down at 250 degrees F. Once broken down it loses adhesion and physical properties (memory). This loss will show up real quick with tip shaping tools that have a pull up push down effect and impacting a ball will also make the layers break loose.

Much like building a cue the engineered design and advesives will give it it's hit. This is the same as a layered Tip, it needs to be designed for the variables it goes under from lathe to hitting the ball.

 

[pescadoman]

Am I the only person here that has had good expensive tips, de laminate, and then the suppliers. i had a new expensive, won't mentions the maker to avoid any conflict , here. I was told the tips i received were old and rotted . The once on my cue , shot great for about two hours, then it started hitting funny, as if it went flat, but it still had it's shape.

Really, how do we know we're not buying tips that have been laying around somewhere dry rotting. They usually look fine, at first

I have a hard time making sense of your statement really. You received old and rotted tips from someone and couldn't tell(someone else said they were)? Then you put one on your cue and within a few hours you didn't like the hit?

Did you ask if you could return them?

I have a feeling their is a lot more to this story.

 

[slim234]

I have a hard time making sense of your statement really. You received old and rotted tips from someone and couldn't tell(someone else said they were)? Then you put one on your cue and within a few hours you didn't like the hit?

Did you ask if you could return them?

I have a feeling their is a lot more to this story.

The tip appeared to look ok to me and the cue maker installing it, however, it does look like the layers can be spread apart with the fingers
The tip went flat after four hours of playing, without losing it's shape. No need to explain any more, i didn't buy the tips form anyone here, nor do i wish to bring any bad tidings to anyone.
The tip was inspected before installed and appeared to be fine. Now, after 4 hours of playing , it was pointed out that the layers can be separated with a finger from the sides, i was then told that the tip was rotten, by someone that was bias to the situation. Who returns bad tips after they have been installed, who accepts returns? The tips were purchased some time ago and sitting on a shelf

End of Story

 

[pescadoman]

The tip appeared to look ok to me and the cue maker installing it, however, it does look like the layers can be spread apart with the fingers
The tip went flat after four hours of playing, without losing it's shape. No need to explain any more, i didn't buy the tips form anyone here, nor do i wish to bring any bad tidings to anyone.
The tip was inspected before installed and appeared to be fine. Now, after 4 hours of playing , it was pointed out that the layers can be separated with a finger from the sides, i was then told that the tip was rotten, by someone that was bias to the situation. Who returns bad tips after they have been installed, who accepts returns? The tips were purchased some time ago and sitting on a shelf

End of Story

I expect, and insist, that any customer who isn't happy with their tip return it so I can make it right.

I have seen a factory Everest tip come apart and it is common knowledge that heat caused by improper burnishing can cause issues.

The flatness is caused by the delamination.

If the tips were know old stock, why won't the guy who put it on just make it right?

^^^that is the question you should be asking...^^^^