Cue Points and Similarities; Huebler and Joss vs. Giuli

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TerryZak

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Greetings,

I have a question for the experts, please.

There are three pictures below. The first is of my '98 Huebler JB-4 and I've always loved the points on that cue. I recently purchased a Joss 10-12, which I admired the point work on as well. Yesterday I saw a post for a Giuli 5 Point, Black Palm and couldn't help but notice the similarity in the point work and pattern.

While the Joss has an additional black border to the point work, aside from that there appears to be tremendous similarity.

Is this just coincidence, or, are point work veneers purchased from a common source somewhere?

Any insights would be appreciated,

Terry
 

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TerryZak said:
Greetings,

I have a question for the experts, please.

There are three pictures below. The first is of my '98 Huebler JB-4 and I've always loved the points on that cue. I recently purchased a Joss 10-12, which I admired the point work on as well. Yesterday I saw a post for a Giuli 5 Point, Black Palm and couldn't help but notice the similarity in the point work and pattern.

While the Joss has an additional black border to the point work, aside from that there appears to be tremendous similarity.

Is this just coincidence, or, are point work veneers purchased from a common source somewhere?

Any insights would be appreciated,

Terry
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Hi Terry
The least replied to threads on this Forum.,
Is about points and veneers.
There are many ways to do them where they look similar but different methods and machines are used to do them.
Instead of me boring you,
Please do a search here.
If you come up empty, I'll come back in when I have more time

Thank you
 
Some combinations just go well together, like yellow/orange/black so you get that fire look. Or just red/black, blue/black. The black paper gives a nice sharp contrast to the veneer colour(s) you want to use and makes it pop more.
 
I spent a few hours combing through posts about full-splice, half/short-splice, and recut points; all of which I really didn't know much about.

Saw some cool pictures of a CNC cutter (90-degrees) cutting down the length of the butt, which I had no idea about.

Also saw that there are different ways to make up the veneer stacks.

Yet, at least to me, my original question is still valid, especially after seeing the CNC cutter making a pass down the butt.

My thinking is just like folks purchase blanks from various suppliers, for a short-splice cue wouldn't it be possible to purchase four quadrants from a supplier, that already had the points assembled to either side of the maple; make that CNC cut, and then glue in four of these quadrants right into the butt of the cue and then turn down from there?

Theoretically, it seems possible and would help keep production costs down. But I'm not sure if anyone is doing it?

Thanks in advance,

Terry
 
Michael Webb said:
This will help. Use your imagination.
Do Vee points and veneers look alike.
Well, depends on who you ask, but similarities exist.
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Thanks Michael, Even though I've been playing pool on/off for 40-years, I haven't known much about cue construction methods and am just starting to learn about that. So in my case, part of the issue is not knowing enough to be able to ask a specific or intelligent question!

I can understand your and other members frustrations when a noob asks what seems like an obvious question, especially if there's information already on the forum. I see this a lot on ChargerForums.com, as I'm also a motor-head type.

Based on your input, my next searches will be about the differences between "Vee points and veneers".

I'm pretty certain my JB-4 Huebler is a full-splice with veneers, but from your statement suspect that the Joss 10-12 I purchased is using Vee points.

Thanks again for your guidance,

Terry
 
TerryZak said:
Thanks Michael, Even though I've been playing pool on/off for 40-years, I haven't known much about cue construction methods and am just starting to learn about that. So in my case, part of the issue is not knowing enough to be able to ask a specific or intelligent question!

I can understand your and other members frustrations when a noob asks what seems like an obvious question, especially if there's information already on the forum. I see this a lot on ChargerForums.com, as I'm also a motor-head type.

Based on your input, my next searches will be about the differences between "Vee points and veneers".

I'm pretty certain my JB-4 Huebler is a full-splice with veneers, but from your statement suspect that the Joss 10-12 I purchased is using Vee points.

Thanks again for your guidance,

Terry
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It's only frustrating when people asking questions forget common sense.
Like,,,,,,
Why do you make your own?
STUPID QUESTION!

I can do what you do,
OK, DO IT AND LEAVE ME ALONE!
NO I mean I can do it if you tell me how first.
Lmao, DO I NEED TO SAY PISS OFF
One of my favorites
Where can I buy supplies?
Wood, machines, etc etc etc
I'M STILL LAUGHING.

ok, then just tell me everything you've learnt in the past 35 years?
I've got 10 minutes.
STILL LAUGHING!!!!!

SO,
WHEN common sense is replaced with IGNORANCE, No class and Stupidity,
THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES FRUSTRATING!
 
When it comes to Puublic Forums.
The Jury is always out.
Do I think People had more respect for what Cue makers do before places like ATCM?
YES SIR, I SURE DO!
 
Thank you Michael,

I see similar question on car forums, like why can't I install a 6.4 L Hemi to replace my V6; wiring harnesses, computers, and the list goes on. So I get it.

Someone was kind enough to DM me a link to Prather Cues, which answered my question, that yes, veneer stacks and various components are produced and sold, which would add to the potential of distinct similarities between two product brands/models.

prathercue.com

45° Veneer

GLUED 45° VENEER SETS SIZE 4 Points Approx. 5/8" x 11" $58.00 for set of 4 points w/ 4 veneers ($14.50 per point) *$5.00 per extra veneer added SIZE 4 Sheets 6" x 11" Glued Veneer Sheets (will end up smaller than 6" after glued & sanded) $32.00 *See available 45° Veneers in the "Premade"...
prathercue.com

Again, never meant to waste your time, frustrate you, or tell you how to do your job or that I can do it better/faster.

If you want to know about any of the infinite details about power generating plants (coal, natural gas, nuclear, steam turbine, gas turbine, etc.), I'm the guy you can ask. But for getting oriented about cue construction, at least to be given a direction to pursue, I need to rely on guys like you and other experts here.

It might be nice to have a sections for newbies that want to learn about cue construction, with sticky articles/links for the more common questions. Like top-10 or something like that. It anything it's doing marketing for yourself and the other custom cue builders.

In closing, I'm amazed at the craftsmanship that goes into these cues, whether they're inexpensive production cues or custom's. So when I look at a custom cue that's $1,400 or more, I realize that it's a good value for what the purchaser is getting and plants a seed in my mind that maybe after I get a bonus sometime I may spring for something truly special.

Kind regards,

Terry
 
TerryZak said:
Thank you Michael,

I see similar question on car forums, like why can't I install a 6.4 L Hemi to replace my V6; wiring harnesses, computers, and the list goes on. So I get it.

Someone was kind enough to DM me a link to Prather Cues, which answered my question, that yes, veneer stacks and various components are produced and sold, which would add to the potential of distinct similarities between two product brands/models.

prathercue.com

45° Veneer

GLUED 45° VENEER SETS SIZE 4 Points Approx. 5/8" x 11" $58.00 for set of 4 points w/ 4 veneers ($14.50 per point) *$5.00 per extra veneer added SIZE 4 Sheets 6" x 11" Glued Veneer Sheets (will end up smaller than 6" after glued & sanded) $32.00 *See available 45° Veneers in the "Premade"...
prathercue.com

Again, never meant to waste your time, frustrate you, or tell you how to do your job or that I can do it better/faster.

If you want to know about any of the infinite details about power generating plants (coal, natural gas, nuclear, steam turbine, gas turbine, etc.), I'm the guy you can ask. But for getting oriented about cue construction, at least to be given a direction to pursue, I need to rely on guys like you and other experts here.

It might be nice to have a sections for newbies that want to learn about cue construction, with sticky articles/links for the more common questions. Like top-10 or something like that. It anything it's doing marketing for yourself and the other custom cue builders.

In closing, I'm amazed at the craftsmanship that goes into these cues, whether they're inexpensive production cues or custom's. So when I look at a custom cue that's $1,400 or more, I realize that it's a good value for what the purchaser is getting and plants a seed in my mind that maybe after I get a bonus sometime I may spring for something truly special.

Kind regards,

Terry
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I answered your question in my first post. You didn't ask if they could be purchased, you asked if they were purchased.
Big difference!
 
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