Cue Points

TATE said:
I reiterate what I said before about imperfection in custom cues, except I will add to it.

Most of the cues with perfectly even points are inlaid CNC or engraved
points. They might be finished up and sharpened by hand, but not too many truly spliced cues are perfect in this regard. Points that are a little off, and I consider a total of 1/4 " off in three points to be within reason, are the sign of a custom hand-made cue. Therefore, the sign of a hand milled true spliced cue is slightly uneven points.

Chris
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You need to quit dealing with low end cuemakers that haven't honed their techniques to perfection yet. And as to your statement about considering points that are a total of 1/4" to be within reason and a sign of a custom hand-made cue...I don't quite agree unless one word is added..."points that are a total of 1/4" off is a sign of a SHITILY produced custom hand-made cue.
I have two that were made by a real pro with NO CNC that I can show you pictures of that are absolutely perfect. There's no excuse for that type of work. If I sold a $350-$400 custom golf club to a golf fanatic that deserved what he paid for in a custom design and it was 1/4" short, I'd have a hatchet thrown at my head. Yet, in a $2,000+ custom cue, that's acceptable?? That's lunacy!
 
Uneven Points

In my own opinon, If you are paying $2000.00 plus for a custom cue, the workmanship and playability of that cue should compliment each other. I own and have owned many higher end cues with spliced points, those cuemakers didn't seem to have a problem producing cues that play well and have beautiful even points that are within 1/8 of an inch of each other. Points that are off by 1/4" or more are not acceptable on higher end cues. Would you spend thousands of dollars for a defective piece of art? Take care. Charlie
 
Pocono,

Thanks for the feedback you got from Southwest. I guess when I get my cue if it is not to my liking I will just trade/sell it off. I am sure I will not have a problem. Can't wait to see how it turns out....
 
SSach said:
Pocono,

Thanks for the feedback you got from Southwest. I guess when I get my cue if it is not to my liking I will just trade/sell it off. I am sure I will not have a problem. Can't wait to see how it turns out....
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SSach, You are welcome. Good luck with the cue, it will turn out fine. Charlie
 
Tommy-D said:
> No,but the hit would have to be pretty spectacular to replace my Runde era Schon,which is the best hitting cue I've ever picked up,and has perfect rounded points to boot. I have always preferred the rounded points that Joss,Schon,and several other popularized,and probably always will. I could accept 1/16,maybe 1/8 if the hit was too good to pass up,but 1/4 would set me off. Tommy D.
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Tommy,

If your Schon has rounded points, it's not considered a Runde era cue. Runde may have been there in the late 80's, early 90's but the spliced cues are what is considered "Runde " era - and those points were rarely perfect. The rounded points are when the designs were inlaid in a pantograph.

Some players and makers feel that rounded points are less likely to separate -so are more durable, so there is an argument there.

Chris
 
pocono said:
In my own opinon, If you are paying $2000.00 plus for a custom cue, the workmanship and playability of that cue should compliment each other. I own and have owned many higher end cues with spliced points, those cuemakers didn't seem to have a problem producing cues that play well and have beautiful even points that are within 1/8 of an inch of each other. Points that are off by 1/4" or more are not acceptable on higher end cues. Would you spend thousands of dollars for a defective piece of art? Take care. Charlie
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Well if you were buying "art" then I can understand your disappointment. I thought you were a pool shooter. Why don't you just sell it for a profit?

Chris
 
TATE said:
However, if I were Southwest Cues, if a customer objected and rejected the cue, I would definitely give them their money back - no questions asked. After all, their cues can be re-sold and there are many buyers who would be perfectly happy with uneven points in a Southwest cue.
Chris
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But a customer of Southwest cues in in a unique position. He can immediately sell the cue and make an immediate profit, so why would he want to give it back. I think Southwest cues are going in the range of $1500- or so. If he decides not to keep it, the worst case scenario is he made a HUGE profit. :D
 
TATE said:
Well if you were buying "art" then I can understand your disappointment. I thought you were a pool shooter. Why don't you just sell it for a profit?

Chris
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I am a pool player and I do have a small collection of cues. I can't sell the cue for profit, I returned the cue. In my opinon a beautiful cue is like owning a fine piece of art. I enjoy playing pool and I enjoy collecting fine cues. Charlie
 
pocono said:
I am a pool player and I do have a small collection of cues. I can't sell the cue for profit, I returned the cue. In my opinon a beautiful cue is like owning a fine piece of art. I enjoy playing pool and I enjoy collecting fine cues. Charlie
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You could have called any number of cue dealers and many of them would have gladly given you more than what you paid for it. Even ebay would probably have yielded good results for you. Probably could have sold it here on AZbilliards. Too late now... :(
 
Ted Harris said:
I think Southwest cues are going in the range of $1500- or so. If he decides not to keep it, the worst case scenario is he made a HUGE profit. :D
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The current six pointers with ring work are actually going for about $2,000 in like new condition. And there's no shortage of buyers for them, believe me.

I think other than the Titlist forearm, these are the most copied cues in existence. I am beginnning to wonder if they are vastly overrated too.

Chris
 
I've never thought to measure the points in a cue :confused:

and I have never gotten around to finding the balance point in my cues either :confused:

I just shoot the ball :confused:
 
Ted Harris said:
You could have called any number of cue dealers and many of them would have gladly given you more than what you paid for it. Even ebay would probably have yielded good results for you. Probably could have sold it here on AZbilliards. Too late now... :(
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Ted, I purchased the cue from a reputable dealer and already paid a premium for the cue. I stated that I returned the cue to a dealer in my response #14, page 2, to Drivemaker's question. I never stated that I bought the cue from Southwest. I did make a typo error in my initial question asking if anyone would send the cue back to Southwest cues if they receive a cue in this condition. I should have said cue dealer in lieu of Southwest cues. Please forgive me, it was a honest mistake, I didn't intend on misleading anyone. Thank you for the excellent response. Regards! Charlie
 
question for TED

What, in your opinion, is the main reason for points sometimes being off from one another?
Does it happen more with cutting and laying in the points? Or how those points were taken down? (say if it was slighty off center) Or some combo of the 2.

If it WERE taken down slightly off center...wouldn't that somehow mean that the core pin is off center? (i think i heard somehwere that southwest has a solid pin going through the length of it)

thanks for the info

SUPERSTAR
 
pocono said:
Ted, I purchased the cue from a reputable dealer and already paid a premium for the cue. I stated that I returned the cue to a dealer in my response #14, page 2, to Drivemaker's question. I never stated that I bought the cue from Southwest. I did make a typo error in my initial question asking if anyone would send the cue back to Southwest cues if they receive a cue in this condition. I should have said cue dealer in lieu of Southwest cues. Please forgive me, it was a honest mistake, I didn't intend on misleading anyone. Thank you for the excellent response. Regards! Charlie
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Sorry, I must have missed it! My bad!
 
Ted Harris said:
Sorry, I must have missed it! My bad!
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Ted, no apology necessary, I did appreciate you taking the time to send me sound advice. Regards! Charlie
 
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