Cue shaft talk

j2pac said:
Once you adjust your aim slightly, you'll be just fine. I don't know that the shaft in and of itself will "improve" accuracy. The accuracy improvement will come from dialing in both your aim, and your stroke.
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That's true, however, for a player who mainly uses feel to adjust for cueball deflection, a ld shaft will help by having the stroke line being closer to the intended cb travel line. The less you have to deviate off of that line, the less the chance that you over or under compensate for squirt/cb deflection. Or rather, any deviation will be of a smaller percentage because you aren't having to adjust as much to compensate for the squirt.
 
I have noticed a big difference between my 1980 Eckes cue with a 12mm tip and a whippy shaft that I still use periodically and my 1995 Meucci with a 13mm tip... so am curious to see what difference the Keilwood shaft makes. I am of the shooting style that Jaden mentioned as I go by feel for my shots. Using aggressive enlish/spin like I do, I have always used feel on bank shots as well because the diamond system does not work for my style of play.
 
Haven’t tried carbon fiber shafts, but I would like to. I’m a believer in LD shafts as it makes compensating for English easier for me. Been using a Predator 314-2 for over 20 years now and I’m pretty happy with it. I own a few cues with standard maple shafts, but playing with them takes adjustment after so many years with a LD shaft. Hard to imagine going back now. The main reason I haven’t tried a CF shaft already is the cost, can’t justify it and agree with those saying it’s too much. Thought about sticking with wood and upgrading to the new 314-3, but even that is beyond my means at the moment.
 
mdc said:
Haven’t tried carbon fiber shafts, but I would like to. I’m a believer in LD shafts as it makes compensating for English easier for me. Been using a Predator 314-2 for over 20 years now and I’m pretty happy with it. I own a few cues with standard maple shafts, but playing with them takes adjustment after so many years with a LD shaft. Hard to imagine going back now. The main reason I haven’t tried a CF shaft already is the cost, can’t justify it and agree with those saying it’s too much. Thought about sticking with wood and upgrading to the new 314-3, but even that is beyond my means at the moment.
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You might try the Raven Pro CF. They're fairly affordable comparatively speaking.
 
Jaden said:
That's true, however, for a player who mainly uses feel to adjust for cueball deflection, a ld shaft will help by having the stroke line being closer to the intended cb travel line. The less you have to deviate off of that line, the less the chance that you over or under compensate for squirt/cb deflection. Or rather, any deviation will be of a smaller percentage because you aren't having to adjust as much to compensate for the squirt.
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Agreed.
 
That $600 shaft won't feel slippery when it slides through your bridge. Carbon fiber shafts that have some kind of paint or coating won't be slippery. Even with a glove on, the shaft won't feel slippery. At your link, Seyberts adds the following text at the top of their ad for the shaft:

** Please note that the Wood Grain Shafts have a protective coating to ensure a long-lasting durable finish. It is recommended if you are looking for the smooth carbon feel of carbon fiber to go with the Whyte Carbon Raw Shaft or wear a glove.**
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Seyberts is warning you that the shaft is junk (they probably have a high rate of returns with people complaining the shaft isn't slippery). With current technology, you'll have to stick with a raw black carbon shaft if slipperiness is a requirement.
 
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SeniorTom said:
I sure wouldn't mind having one of these shafts, but I will never spend $600 for one. I don't think it would do that much for my game, except that it would be enjoyable to try out. People often look to equipment to solve their stroke problems, and especially potting balls, but I don't think this would really make that much difference, this particular shaft and the price it costs. What type of shaft do you use and why? Would you spend this kind of money for a shaft? What price range do you think is fair for a shaft like this?
First comment by one who owns this shaft:
"I really like the shaft looks nice and make my stroke looks so easy"

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Triple 60 Whyte Carbon Uni-Loc Thread Wood Grain Carbon Play Shaft

Experience the pinnacle of performance with the Uni-Loc Thread Whyte Carbon Pearl Essence Play Shaft. Dual-Core Carbon Construction, Micro-Compression technology and Multi-Density Fill Pattern come together to create a distinguished white finish shaft that is as luxuriously elegant as it is...
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Everybody says that Pool is a mental game, so anything that makes you feel better about your game is worth the investment. It doesn't have to and may not improve your play, but it might. $600 or $8,000 Southwest Cue..., no big deal if your into the game, a $100 Walmart Cue or a house Cue, thats cool too, you just wont be part of the conversation when we talk about the pride someone takes in owning a masterpiece regardless of their level of play.
 
garczar said:
'makes my stroke look so easy'??? wtf is that supposed to mean. 600bux is ridiculous. cf shafts have been on the market long enough for the makers to more than recoup their investment costs. no reason for these to be higher than 300bux. just like golf, people try to buy a game they'll never have.
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i have a $50 chinese carbon fiber shaft for breaking and id bet my bottom dollar most folks wouldn’t be able to tell between it and a $300 break shaft. carbon fiber technology isn’t that crazy hard any more.
 
garczar said:
'makes my stroke look so easy'??? wtf is that supposed to mean. 600bux is ridiculous. cf shafts have been on the market long enough for the makers to more than recoup their investment costs. no reason for these to be higher than 300bux. just like golf, people try to buy a game they'll never have.
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Alex's 800 will make me a world beater. NOT.
 
middleofnowhere said:
You might be surprised I've owned a number of cues with multiple shafts. There's always one shaft that seems to be the one and you can just go back and forth and feel the difference instantly..
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I have a few like that. The wood resonates better, tighter grain, heavy. Idk. Call me crazy but I can feel the difference in some of my wood shafts.
 
qolbrand said:
i have a $50 chinese carbon fiber shaft for breaking and id bet my bottom dollar most folks wouldn’t be able to tell between it and a $300 break shaft. carbon fiber technology isn’t that crazy hard any more.
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I'll put my Chinese jumper up against any jump cue out there.
 
qolbrand said:
i have a $50 chinese carbon fiber shaft for breaking and id bet my bottom dollar most folks wouldn’t be able to tell between it and a $300 break shaft. carbon fiber technology isn’t that crazy hard any more.
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Only if they use the same blanks. I can tell the difference if they use different blanks or if there are mods to the blanks to improve them; however, I agree with you, there's no reason to pay more without knowing that there IS a difference. Sometimes just knowing that the shafts themselves (not the blanks) were made (assembled, whatever) in the USA for quality control, etc. is worth it. Now $50 is an exaggeration. GL even getting a chinese blank for that.
 
Jaden said:
Only if they use the same blanks. I can tell the difference if they use different blanks or if there are mods to the blanks to improve them; however, I agree with you, there's no reason to pay more without knowing that there IS a difference. Sometimes just knowing that the shafts themselves (not the blanks) were made (assembled, whatever) in the USA for quality control, etc. is worth it.
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yeah if i could get anything even remotely close in price i would have preferred to buy USA but we are probably a few years off that still.

as far as a “difference” its just for breaking the balls. i could probably use a fiberglass shaft and get the same results.

i tend to avoid games that need a break cue anyway and will never be one of those guys that practices the break for an hour at a time. i figure if i dont give enough of a damn to practice it then theres absolutely no way of buying my way into it.

the extra $550 would just be a massive waste for a player like me.

Now $50 is an exaggeration. GL even getting a chinese blank for that.
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Some discounts applied but its still up for like $70
 
middleofnowhere said:
You might be surprised I've owned a number of cues with multiple shafts. There's always one shaft that seems to be the one and you can just go back and forth and feel the difference instantly..
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I have three playing carbon fiber shafts, but I always gravitate back to my laminated maple shaft. To me, It's the best of both worlds. I don't believe ld is all gain, there is something a ld shaft can't provide. What it cannot provide is the same feel when striking the ball that maple shafts (wood) can provide., I have read some posts that talk about a game of feel that prevents them from comfortably going back to wood, but I think this is counterintuitive. You get better feel/response when striking the cue ball with a wood shaft then you do with a rigid carbon fiber shaft. This particular feel allows you more cue ball control, imo. This is why I play with a laminated wood shaft, because it offers aspects of both worlds so to speak. I wonder how pool players, especially professionals, played so well in the past with those lousy wood shafts?
 
qolbrand said:
yeah if i could get anything even remotely close in price i would have preferred to buy USA but we are probably a few years off that still.

as far as a “difference” its just for breaking the balls. i could probably use a fiberglass shaft and get the same results.

i tend to avoid games that need a break cue anyway and will never be one of those guys that practices the break for an hour at a time. i figure if i dont give enough of a damn to practice it then theres absolutely no way of buying my way into it.

the extra $550 would just be a massive waste for a player like me.




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Some discounts applied but its still up for like $70
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I think you might be surprised at the results of getting a $15 tip... ;)
 
I have been playing mostly with a cheap Crical cf cue . I play better with it than any of my wood shaft cues . I love my Owen cue and still use it ,,,sometimes with an ld shaft sometimes with one of Bobs . At 69 my stroke has a few hitches in it so I mostly use whatever inspires confidence .

Chuckg
 
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