Cue stick stroke with a spin.

Willowbrook Wolfy said:
You maybe have done it forever and that’s how you personally play. Try holding the cue the same on your warmups as on your final stroke and see if your stop shot still works.
Click to expand...
I’ll almost put money on it that if you hold it loose on warmup and follow through it goes the same as when you twist and when you are firm on warmup and final the cb goes left.
 
rocket23 said:
You are right. I haven’t practiced a lick in 9 years. I just got my table from being a storage table My stroke is horrid and to be honest I shouldn’t even of brought up this thread. I’m even debating whether I should get on a league this winter. Remembering all the arguments both from our team and another. Interesting enough was the “in”fighting amongst our own team back then. The best league for me has been APA. But that was way back in the 90’s
Click to expand...

Don’t mean to dawg ya Rocket. You seem like a good dude. I’ve just seen this up in the first page for several days now and figured I’d weigh in.

You brought up golf. I don’t play anymore, but remember some of my struggles. Maybe this is relatable:

A righty player has a slice, but swears they are swinging straight through the ball.

They don’t realize they are taking back to the right and following through across their body. The club face swipes across the ball and nothing is going straight.

When you twist your wrist you are not hitting in the center of the ball.

Why would you want to introduce another movement into your swing anyway?…

…?


… No good reason, right?

Everybody wants to be an expert and do some fancy stuff nobody else knows, but dang man, you’ll be better off spending your time working on boring stuff.

Make your theory of relativity 30 degrees or 90 degrees and hit those mundane ass shots until you can do it at will from any distance. Then use spin off the rail to tighten or widen, check up or let loose.
 
VarmintKong said:
Don’t mean to dawg ya Rocket. You seem like a good dude. I’ve just seen this up in the first page for several days now and figured I’d weigh in.

You brought up golf. I don’t play anymore, but remember some of my struggles. Maybe this is relatable:

A righty player has a slice, but swears they are swinging straight through the ball.

They don’t realize they are taking back to the right and following through across their body. The club face swipes across the ball and nothing is going straight.

When you twist your wrist you are not hitting in the center of the ball.

Why would you want to introduce another movement into your swing anyway?…

…?


… No good reason, right?

Everybody wants to be an expert and do some fancy stuff nobody else knows, but dang man, you’ll be better off spending your time working on boring stuff.

Make your theory of relativity 30 degrees or 90 degrees and hit those mundane ass shots until you can do it at will from any distance. Then use spin off the rail to tighten or widen, check up or let loose.
Click to expand...
Been board stiff with all this rain and heat. lol 😂 ya have to admit, we kicked up some dust. Everyone brought up valid points. Why would anyone jeopardize a shot, any shot with a game on the line? I wouldn’t. Watching the pros play nine ball. That’s some unbelievable pressure. Same ball , same table. Should have a same stroke repeatedly.


I’m not there yet. And yes my slice was a banana. Now it’s a power fade. Thanks varm
 
rocket23 said:
Only reason I brought it up was I found myself trying it again. Trying to get a cue ball to spin like a clock while moving straight towards an object ball. Yeah I’m gonna shelf this idea and practice a more practical repetitive stroke. Thanks for all the replies 😊
Click to expand...
Rocket,
You may want to view these 4 Youtubes. They were a great help in improving my stroke.

 
DeeDeeCues said:
It looks a lot like a slight cut hit harder than ever necessary. I tend to agree with PJ that you aren't hitting the ball where you believe you are. Flipping your wrist to the left and up is causing the cue to turn, sending the tip to the right and down. Hitting two shots with a poor camera angle isn't a beginning to proving anything.

But, apparently you believe it works for you.
Click to expand...
Yeah not anymore. I tried to replicate it with a striped ball. Not a chance but I didn’t use a quality cue. Just a cheapo I have for decoration
 
rocket if you want the cue ball to spin when hit dead center, then just put chalk on one side of your tip. then that side grabs the cue ball and the other side doesn't so you get spin on that side.

that is why you see top players chalking by waving the chalk over the top of the tip as they are only putting it on one side of the tip.

bangers will screw the chalk around the tip and get it all over the tip which stops most cue ball spin.
 
garczar said:
i really hope you're joking. spinning the shaft does NADA to the cueball. btw, the ball doesn't rotate along multiple axis. ex, i you put low right on the cb it will turn on one axis, a tilted axis due to the strike on the cb. to do otherwise would pretty much toss physics out the window. the ONLY reason the op's cb moved sideways is due to a slight off center hit. nothing more. same thing applies to curving golf shots, the ball curves because the axis of the ball gets tilted by the way the club contacts the ball. the ball only turns on one axis.
Click to expand...
I didn't think anyone would take this serious.
 
That would not work for me however, many people have not standard aspects to their setup and stroke and are quite successful. Most of us old guys (I'm 81) had shorter bridges and a more upright stance. So do what works for you but try the approach being taught by the teaching pros of today. Good luck.
 
rocket23 said:
Ok just like the title says. What I have used to some success is a technique where I spin the cue stick while I’m hitting the cue ball. Now to effectively get any action (r/handed). I rotate the stick (as I’m hitting the cue ) clockwise with center position. On a dead on shot I’m able to move the cue to the right anywhere from a few inches to a foot. Instead of stop shot. I haven’t practiced this technique in awhile. I been out of the game for quite a spell. I doubt I can have the same success going the other way. Am I a one hit wonder or has this been used by anyone here?
Click to expand...
So what’s happening is your “twist” is really just causing an off-center contact with the cueball. In your example: you are hitting slightly left of center, which is deflecting the cue ball right and adding inside spin. The slightly right cut on the object ball is corrected by contact induced throw and spin induced throw (inside spin). This straightens out the ball and allows it to go straight to intended target and adds to the illusion that your “twist” is what allowed you to get this reaction. Actually your “twist” did cause the reaction but not for the reason you think.

You can NOT deliver a consistent stroke this way. Focus on never doing this again. Ever ever ever!!! :)

This is not intended to be critical but: These are the kind of interpretations that hold pool players back from getting better. I’ve incorrectly concluded an outcome from what I’ve observed many times and it’s held me back. It was until I hired a pretty good coach that I started to unlearn some assumptions that were holding me back.

Shoot starting buddy!
 
rickwen186 said:
So what’s happening is your “twist” is really just causing an off-center contact with the cueball. In your example: you are hitting slightly left of center, which is deflecting the cue ball right and adding inside spin. The slightly right cut on the object ball is corrected by contact induced throw and spin induced throw (inside spin). This straightens out the ball and allows it to go straight to intended target and adds to the illusion that your “twist” is what allowed you to get this reaction. Actually your “twist” did cause the reaction but not for the reason you think.

You can NOT deliver a consistent stroke this way. Focus on never doing this again. Ever ever ever!!! :)

This is not intended to be critical but: These are the kind of interpretations that hold pool players back from getting better. I’ve incorrectly concluded an outcome from what I’ve observed many times and it’s held me back. It was until I hired a pretty good coach that I started to unlearn some assumptions that were holding me back.

Shoot starting buddy!
Click to expand...
I've started listening to some critiques of my game recently and discovered that what I thot was 'Rock Solid' was more like 'Laffy Taffy!!' Lol.😁
Brought all the bad habits with me when I started playing again and see now that I need to back up a step. I had plateaued at what I considered a high level of play. In order to advance beyond that, I need to rethink a few things. Not easy for an old horse with new tricks.
I guess it all boils down to how much and how bad you want it and what you're willing to do to get it.
In my case, whatever it takes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bbb
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top