Cue Weight and Balance Modeling Computer Program For Sale

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I have decided to release my cue weight and balance (called CueBalance) modeling program for sale. I have worked on my program off and on for close to a year. The program is a fully realized windows program written in .NET that uses xml to store the program and cue data. It is easy to use and lightweight, it should run on your shop computers just fine.

The program includes many features of cue construction. It handles coring, both full length and individual component cores. A component can be fully cored or partially cored from either/both ends. Cores can include a step in diameter. The A-joint can run either into the forearm or into the handle. Ringwork data can be entered into the program as detailed as one wishes. It includes the option of installing wraps. Weight "bolts" can be entered anywhere within the cue. The program has options for a 3 piece butt configuration, a one piece butt, or a one piece butt with a sleeve. There is a full spliced option for the one piece butt choices. The W&B can be predicted for the butt alone, or the butt and the shaft together. The program includes an option for a rear cavity in the cue.

There are custom hardware lists for joint pins, joint collars, butt caps, bumpers, etc. Each one of these lists can be edited by the user to include his standard choices and their parameters to be used whenever needed. The program includes tolerance settings for things such as coring (to acccommodate thin epoxy versus poly glues), and the difference in final sanding and finish diameters (the finish thickness). Weights can be entered into the program using either grams or ounces.

There is a set of density calculators to aid the user in calculating the densities of cue components. To use it, just weigh and measure (lengths and diameters) your blanks that are resting at standard sizes and enter the numbers in the calculator to get the density of the piece to evaluate its possible use for a specific cue.

There is a detailed help file that covers every aspect of the program. Each groupbox in the program where data is entered has a help button to take the user directly to that section of the help file. The help file includes a few "How To" pages to help the user learn how to use the program for certain tasks. There is a page with a table of densities for commonly used cue woods. I will be maintaining the help file with routine updates as needed based on user feedback. I have decided to post the help file on my website for free download. Anyone who might be interested can check out the help file before purchasing. The help file can be downloaded immediately from my web site. Click on the link on the page to download the file.

http://www.mvpcues.com/cuebalance.php

After downloading the help file and saving it to your hard drive (save it, don't try and open it directly from the web), you will need to navigate to where you saved it, right click on the file and hit properties, select the general tab, and then click to unblock the file so you can view the content. This is because of a windows security setting for executing files that were directly downloaded from the web.

I will be shooting some "How To" videos on the basics of using the program. These videos will be posted to my youtube channel. Anyone who purchases the program prior to the videos being posted will get an email letting them know whey they are available for viewing.

The introductory price of the program is $100. A purchase includes lifetime email support. Once purchased, an email will be sent with a download link and instructions for installing the program. The program will be custom compiled for each and every user; the owner's name will appear on the program main screen. To purchase, use the paypal button found on the website I linked above.

I hope that the program could be a small but significant contribution to the world of cuemaking. I will be maintaining the program, including possible version updates in the future, and help will always be an email away.

How accurate are predictions? I answered this in the help file, so I quote:
"It took some effort to work up the courage to release the program for sale. On one hand, I know how much work I have put into each feature of the program so it is as accurate as possible. On the other hand, I could never test it enough to make me feel comfortable about predicting other people's success with the program. How do I guarantee certain results when so much is dependent on the data that goes into the program? That is the scary part. Different users are likely to have different success rates.

For my tests, the average difference in weight between the CueBalance predicted weight and the actual weight after final turning is .07 ounces. The average balance point difference is .05 inches. Some predictions were dead nuts, while the poorest prediction was .18 ounces off and .1 inches off. I have done many isolated tests of individual calculations/features of the program. The numbers above were averages for fairly simple 3 piece butts. More complicated cues modeled in the program should yield less accurate results, on average. Pointed forearms, butterflies, large floating points, etc will all affect the accuracy of predictions since they are not modeled in the program. How much depends on each specific build."

After this long-winded post, if anyone has any questions about the program or help file, please feel free to email or message me.


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Can I say WOW. Might have to buy a new lathe and place just because this is probably the most helpful useful thing I have seen. Congrates
 
Shame I couldn't talk you into a beta test version a while back :)

If you answered this just ignore it. Am I able to save and number all the different parts like a database? Say I have 10 pieces of Ebony, can I enter all of their weights and call them up as needed to help balance? I know that is a lot to ask for but I could really use that as well. If not, there's always Excel.

I'll check it all out tomorrow, its past my bedtime.
 
Shame I couldn't talk you into a beta test version a while back :)

If you answered this just ignore it. Am I able to save and number all the different parts like a database? Say I have 10 pieces of Ebony, can I enter all of their weights and call them up as needed to help balance? I know that is a lot to ask for but I could really use that as well. If not, there's always Excel.

I'll check it all out tomorrow, its past my bedtime.

It was worth a try. :smile:

No, there is no option to do that in the program. But, that would be fairly easy to add. If the program sells with at least moderate success and there is sufficient interest in a future version, that sounds like a good feature.
 
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Wow, good stuff Kelly. It sounds and both looks like you put a ton of work into this program.

I sincerely hope that you are successful in marketing it.
I am not much more than a repair man but I can see if a maker wants to bring up data so they can have repeatable results, etc its the cats A$$.
 
Wow, good stuff Kelly. It sounds and both looks like you put a ton of work into this program.

I sincerely hope that you are successful in marketing it.
I am not much more than a repair man but I can see if a maker wants to bring up data so they can have repeatable results, etc its the cats A$$.

Thanks, I appreciate it. :smile:
 
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It looks great, and it's easy to imagine how handy this would be. You've obviously spent some time developing it - at $100 you're practically giving it away! Have you by chance run this on a Unix-like OS using an application compatibility layer and if so, how did it do?

No, I have not. It is compiled using VS 1.1. I don't know how well .net apps work with emulation on other platforms.

Yeah, given the development time of the program, $100 is close to giving it away. But, I am trying to price it so it is affordable to anyone who might be interested. We all look for bargains in this game. :smile:
 
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WOW, It's finally out!! I can confirm that Kelly has put a lot of time, effort, and thought into this. It's not something that was just slapped together. It has been in the works for a quite a while, and he has worked very hard on It. He has put a lot of his shop time on hold to work on this. Considering how small the market is for something Like It, I couldn't believe He was offering It for so little money. I didn't even know he was going to add the tech support. That sounds time consuming to me, hopefully the instructional videos that he is going to make will alleviate some of that extra work for him.

I think It's something that is gonna be very useful for Me, and I'm very thankful that he took the time to develop the program. I would definitely recommend It.
 
WOW, It's finally out!! I can confirm that Kelly has put a lot of time, effort, and thought into this. It's not something that was just slapped together. It has been in the works for a quite a while, and he has worked very hard on It. He has put a lot of his shop time on hold to work on this. Considering how small the market is for something Like It, I couldn't believe He was offering It for so little money. I didn't even know he was going to add the tech support. That sounds time consuming to me, hopefully the instructional videos that he is going to make will alleviate some of that extra work for him.

I think It's something that is gonna be very useful for Me, and I'm very thankful that he took the time to develop the program. I would definitely recommend It.

Thanks Greg. Beyond initial help with any install issues and answering a question or two on how to do something, I think support will be easy. Many of the questions will be the same. The program really is easy to use. After some time invested in learning to use it, everyone will be an expert with it. :)

Kelly
 
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Looks great, a question about the use of the program..I have my main computer in my office where I do 80% of my work, and a computer in my shop that I use for reference and quick look ups of data and parts..Would I be able to use the program on both computers with 1 license or would I have to buy 2...Thanks
 
Looks great, a question about the use of the program..I have my main computer in my office where I do 80% of my work, and a computer in my shop that I use for reference and quick look ups of data and parts..Would I be able to use the program on both computers with 1 license or would I have to buy 2...Thanks

Also, is there a period of Free Upgrades?
 
Looks great, a question about the use of the program..I have my main computer in my office where I do 80% of my work, and a computer in my shop that I use for reference and quick look ups of data and parts..Would I be able to use the program on both computers with 1 license or would I have to buy 2...Thanks

Great question. I personally don't care if you load the program on 100 computers if they are all owned by you and you are the one using the program.

File management would be easy. You can save the cue files to any place on your computer you want, so if you have a thumb drive you can load and save your data to/from the thumb drive and never have to do any actual copying/emailing of files. Just carry your thumb drive back and forth.

Kelly
 
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Also, is there a period of Free Upgrades?

Any corrections needed to this version would certainly be free. Any trivial changes to the program would be free.

I am not 100% sure how I will handle upgrades to a version in the future that might include additional features. That kind of decision would be based on the time spent on the new version, how robust the new features are, and possibly how many users of the first version there are.

One possible scenario would be if a new version came out in 2 years that had significantly new features to it, and the price of that version when released would be $150, the upgrade price would be $50.

Kelly
 
PayPal completed, I had built a spreadsheet file trying to accomplish weight and balance. It worked close but not like this, Recycle bin get an another one, got to clear it out as it getting full.
Thanks for offering this.
Bob A
 
PayPal completed, I had built a spreadsheet file trying to accomplish weight and balance. It worked close but not like this, Recycle bin get an another one, got to clear it out as it getting full.
Thanks for offering this.
Bob A

Hi Bob. Much thanks, check your paypal email.

Kelly
 
Quick Review

Just went through the Help file. Very nice. Seemed a little complex at first look but I don't think it will take very long at all to get it all down. Looks well laid out and detailed..... even have the calcs for step-coring which I plan on doing very soon. The Help file gives pretty much all the info you need and even gives additional info to help you decide on how you might want to tweak options. The hovering Tools Tips is a nice touch but given how everything is laidout and intuitive, I don't think you'll need them for long.... and, if you're bothered by the little popups you can turn them off.

Not sure if I read this in there but if you make the same types of cues save them as templates. Then when you make a similar cue just bring up the template, save to a new name and plug away. Most of your parts will already be filled in.

Great job Kelly. You can easily see you put a lot of time and thought into it.

I have a couple suggestions but I'll wait until after I've played with it for a month or so and send it to you privately. NOT problems, suggestions :)

I will definitely buy a copy. I leave for vacation soon so I am going to save my cash until I get back. $100 isn't much but its still $100. I will be buying it before the end of the month.
 
Just went through the Help file. Very nice. Seemed a little complex at first look but I don't think it will take very long at all to get it all down. Looks well laid out and detailed..... even have the calcs for step-coring which I plan on doing very soon. The Help file gives pretty much all the info you need and even gives additional info to help you decide on how you might want to tweak options. The hovering Tools Tips is a nice touch but given how everything is laidout and intuitive, I don't think you'll need them for long.... and, if you're bothered by the little popups you can turn them off.

Not sure if I read this in there but if you make the same types of cues save them as templates. Then when you make a similar cue just bring up the template, save to a new name and plug away. Most of your parts will already be filled in.

Great job Kelly. You can easily see you put a lot of time and thought into it.

I have a couple suggestions but I'll wait until after I've played with it for a month or so and send it to you privately. NOT problems, suggestions :)

I will definitely buy a copy. I leave for vacation soon so I am going to save my cash until I get back. $100 isn't much but its still $100. I will be buying it before the end of the month.

EXACTLY on the templates. One of the tutorial videos (coming soon) will be dedicated to that subject. Template files would speed up the use of the program. One starting file for 3 piece butt configuration, one for 3 piece butt with a full length core, one for a one piece butt, one for a full spliced butt, etc. Judicious time spent early with the program configuring it correctly and creating template files will make actual use of the program during builds more efficient.
 
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