Cue Wobble?

[VonRhett]

So I emailed an Ebayer about his Blackcreek, asking if it was straight.
It's Ebay # 7165945156.
He replies, "every cue wobbles when you roll it."

I replied, "No, they don't, but I'll pass on yours."

Here's his response: "you must be a cue expert eh? i deal for almost every major maker, mottey, stacey, and phillippi among others, and EVERY CUE DOES HAVE WOBBLE.........R KEECH"

What a buffoon! Well, somone better call Paul & James, Travis and Mike and tell them that all their cues are warped, cause Mr. R Keech says so.

 

[Egg McDogit]

I'm curious to hear the feedback on this question. Almost every cue I've ever rolled has at least a little wobble to it. If you look at the bottom of the shaft while you roll it on a table, you can almost always find a bit. Anyone out there with a dead straight shaft? How common is it in your experience?

So I emailed an Ebayer about his Blackcreek, asking if it was straight.
It's Ebay # 7165945156.
He replies, "every cue wobbles when you roll it."

I replied, "No, they don't, but I'll pass on yours."

Here's his response: "you must be a cue expert eh? i deal for almost every major maker, mottey, stacey, and phillippi among others, and EVERY CUE DOES HAVE WOBBLE.........R KEECH"

What a buffoon! Well, somone better call Paul & James, Travis and Mike and tell them that all their cues are warped, cause Mr. R Keech says so.

 

[vapoolplayer]

I'm curious to hear the feedback on this question. Almost every cue I've ever rolled has at least a little wobble to it. If you look at the bottom of the shaft while you roll it on a table, you can almost always find a bit. Anyone out there with a dead straight shaft? How common is it in your experience?

i agree, its hard to find a perfectly straight shaft. but the seller shouldn't have worded his response like that. if its not out and out noticable the first time you roll it..........its not enough to matter.

VAP

 

[VonRhett]

I'm curious to hear the feedback on this question. Almost every cue I've ever rolled has at least a little wobble to it. If you look at the bottom of the shaft while you roll it on a table, you can almost always find a bit. Anyone out there with a dead straight shaft? How common is it in your experience?

Fully understand that essentially no shaft will line up "laser straight".
But damned if I would ever claim that every cue is warped. Don't we all always ask, "Is it straight?" So for a seller to say, "No, but neither is any cue"
just rubbed me wrong.

 

[ScottR]

i agree, its hard to find a perfectly straight shaft. but the seller shouldn't have worded his response like that. if its not out and out noticable the first time you roll it..........its not enough to matter.

VAP

I agree that perfectly straight is hard to come by. The shafts come off of the machine as straight as the tolerances of the machine, but wood moves; even with Nelsonite treatments. If you really want to see wobble, put one in a lathe and spin it. Not too many are "perfect".

 

[Rackin_Zack]

I agree that perfectly straight is hard to come by. The shafts come off of the machine as straight as the tolerances of the machine, but wood moves; even with Nelsonite treatments. If you really want to see wobble, put one in a lathe and spin it. Not too many are "perfect".

This brings up another question that I have had for a while. How much wood movement (or cue wobble) is acceptable? What if the butt and shaft are both a little warped and they cancel each other out and the cue rolls pretty straight? What if the tip stays on the table but the space under the shaft caused by the taper varies a millimeter or two or three?

 

[vapoolplayer]

This brings up another question that I have had for a while. How much wood movement (or cue wobble) is acceptable? What if the butt and shaft are both a little warped and they cancel each other out and the cue rolls pretty straight? What if the tip stays on the table but the space under the shaft caused by the taper varies a millimeter or two or three?

slight wobble(enough to see from not getting on the same level as the cue when rolling it) won't really matter too much. anything more than that, and you have to compensate for the wobble. the easiest way to do this, is when you are shooting, have the bend towards the spin you are putting on the ball. example, draw, have the bend facing down.

very common practice when using house cues.

VAP

 

[ScottR]

This brings up another question that I have had for a while. How much wood movement (or cue wobble) is acceptable? What if the butt and shaft are both a little warped and they cancel each other out and the cue rolls pretty straight? What if the tip stays on the table but the space under the shaft caused by the taper varies a millimeter or two or three?

That much wobble doesn't bother me a bit.

Plus, it can be used as an excuse. "Damn my crooked Szamboti . . . "

 

[vapoolplayer]

That much wobble doesn't bother me a bit.

Plus, it can be used as an excuse. "Damn my crooked Szamboti . . . "

yea thats a piece of junk.......but out of the goodness of my heart.........i'll give you 50 for it.

VAP(nice guy)

 

[drivermaker]

The best test for wobble that someone on here said to do was...place your cue an inch or two above the joint on a rail and have the butt on the table bed. Now roll the cue along the rail.

I have about six or seven that are absolutely pure perfect when on the butt and I do that. Not even the slightest amount of wobble. Others are slight to more than I'd like to see on a shaft, but suprisingly I shoot some of my best pool with those wobblers. Either they're better in some other way besides the wobble, or the wobble negates any shitty moves I'm putting into the stroke.

 

[macguy]

So I emailed an Ebayer about his Blackcreek, asking if it was straight.
It's Ebay # 7165945156.
He replies, "every cue wobbles when you roll it."

I replied, "No, they don't, but I'll pass on yours."

Here's his response: "you must be a cue expert eh? i deal for almost every major maker, mottey, stacey, and phillippi among others, and EVERY CUE DOES HAVE WOBBLE.........R KEECH"

What a buffoon! Well, somone better call Paul & James, Travis and Mike and tell them that all their cues are warped, cause Mr. R Keech says so.

There is no such thing as a perfectly straight cue. He is just being honest. He answered your question and you gave him a smart ass reply. From my experience you are a potental problem customer and he may be lucky to not deal with you, No offence.

 

[drivermaker]

There is no such thing as a perfectly straight cue. He is just being honest. He answered your question and you gave him a smart ass reply. From my experience you are a potental problem customer and he may be lucky to not deal with you, No offence.

Bullshit...they're just few and far between.

 

[Rackin_Zack]

Bullshit...they're just few and far between.

I don't know DM, I think it depends on what "perfect" means to you and the degree you wish to take the concept to. The more precise your measurments, or standards, the fewer "perfect" shafts there are out there.

 

[drivermaker]

I don't know DM, I think it depends on what "perfect" means to you and the degree you wish to take the concept to. The more precise your measurments, or standards, the fewer "perfect" shafts there are out there.

The original post on this thread said, "Every cue has wobble". What's the difference between wobble and perfect. If a cue has ZERO wobble, which I've stated I have a certain # out of about 46 total, are THEY perfect? I'd have to say they are for now. My response would definitely be "bullshit" to the "every cue has wobble" statement.

Maybe they're not "perfect", but you would really have to have some tests that go beyond eyeing for a wobble. You'll pick up a lot more by rolling it across the rail than the table bed. Try it...

 

[JoeyInCali]

I have about six or seven that are absolutely pure perfect when on the butt and I do that. Not even the slightest amount of wobble. Others are slight to more than I'd like to see on a shaft, but suprisingly I shoot some of my best pool with those wobblers. Either they're better in some other way besides the wobble, or the wobble negates any shitty moves I'm putting into the stroke.

Must be pie-shape laminated shafts.
"Pro-taper" shafts ( the ones that have NO taper the first 12 inches or so ) are the most susceptible to wobbles. Wood moves. The one with no taper, move a little more with all thing being equal.

 

[macguy]

Bullshit...they're just few and far between.

The customer who is looking for that rare cue will never buy a cue. They have to come into the real world if they want to buy a cue. And to be honest, I can take any cue put it between centers and find runout in the butt as well as the shaft. It is just a matter of what is acceptable and considered as straight even though in reality it really isn't.

 

[mjantti]

This brings up another question that I have had for a while. How much wood movement (or cue wobble) is acceptable? What if the butt and shaft are both a little warped and they cancel each other out and the cue rolls pretty straight? What if the tip stays on the table but the space under the shaft caused by the taper varies a millimeter or two or three?

I think it's more personal if you think playing characteristics. Slight wobble will instantly bother some players whereas many players are perfectly fine with a crooked cue. I have a very slight roll on the shaft that I use, but don't notice it when playing.

 

[drivermaker]

Must be pie-shape laminated shafts.
"Pro-taper" shafts ( the ones that have NO taper the first 12 inches or so ) are the most susceptible to wobbles. Wood moves. The one with no taper, move a little more with all thing being equal.

I have about 8 laminated shafts all told...and ALL of those bastards wobble.

 

[Jon]

DM,
Have you put any of your "perfect" shafts between centers and checked them with a dial indicator?

 

[drivermaker]

DM,
Have you put any of your "perfect" shafts between centers and checked them with a dial indicator?

I put it right up against my crank and it looked pretty damn good. That thing is still like a flagpole.

Why would I want to do that? I already know that I have 7 "NO WOBBLE" shafts. And when I say "NO WOBBLE", I mean zero turn or wobble. I don't give a shit about "PERFECT" from some dial. I already have 41 other shafts that are "IMPERFECT" and they ALL have varying degrees of wobble.

Again...back to the first thread....the guy asked about "straight vs. wobbly" shafts...NOT PERFECT. What the seller never indicated was, how much wobble. For all the buyer knew...they could have jumped around the table like a Mexican jumping bean when rolled. He just evaded the question and said all shafts have wobble. How can you trust that?