Cues for Sale... Without Extensions
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Toadshot
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Changes the balance point forward a bit which i like.
Well, we won't really ever know about Mosconi, will we... though I don't know of any current pro running around doing exhibitions at different venues and running 100 every night.
As to the extension issue, I still, in my dotage, compete at 1pocket events. And IMO, you cannot effectively compete without an extension, even shooting right/left as I do. There are enough shots that come up that require an extension for bestest execution. Same for 14.1. Sometimes you need an extension.
Don't know about 7 footers.
Lou Figueroa
Your not breaking down, you’re adding on.
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I was showing one of those I had to my brother in law years ago. When I pulled it off the entire butt cap/sleeve and rear rings came with it. He was not impressed. This was before I ever built a cue but I did take note. Everything I do is threaded.
So it was an exhibitionGood question.
So I looked it up.
Willie Mosconi set his historic 526-ball record on an oversized 4-foot by 8-foot Brunswick Exposition pool table. Odd dimensions and angles.
The billiard club owner originally intended for Mosconi to perform his exhibition on the room's premier 9-foot table. However, that specific 9-foot table was not manufactured by Brunswick. Because Mosconi was under a strict corporate contract with Brunswick, he was legally required to play exclusively on their equipment. The only Brunswick table available in the entire venue was the 4x8-foot model, forcing the legendary shooter to adapt.
We all know how an 8 foot table changes the play and presents unique challenges.
I will not speculate on how he might do on modern equipment, but I am not skeptical of his skill. He's not around to prove or disprove anything anyway.
I can certainly bitch about anything I want. If you don't notice, I am mostly bitching about myself not keeping up with the times.
Regarding equipment, I will also say this, if current players walked into a tournament and they changed from a 9 to an 8 foot table there would probably be a lot of hissy fits. It would even bow up in discussions here. Mosconi? He set a record that stood a very long time.
Jayson made his high run on a classic 4.5' x 9' Brunswick Gold Crown I. A lot of us know how an early GC plays with our eyes closed, we played on them for decades. Try that on an 8 foot table.
Now they have a extension that slide on your shaft so your hand placement doesn’t change much
What was?
On the first point, all of the videos I’ve seen of Mosconi he played fast - well under 30 seconds a shot I’d wager. And this is older Mosconi - as I haven’t seen any videos of prime Mosconi.
On the second point, I’m the same height and I use my extension on 7’ tables. Not all the time of course but there are shots that come up.
On the issue of extensions, generally, I have probably bought every pool gadget imaginable, and the extension is by far the most useful thing I’ve ever bought.
InsertCleverNameHere
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I am against them and wish they'd be banned personally. I think people should have to learn to use the bridge as well as play opposite handed. I spent a significant portion of my practice time working on all those extra facets of the game.
Having said that, I feel like I'm ever so slightly behind my opponents at times, maybe not because I'm very good oppo and with the bridge but it felt that way a few times. So I broke down and got an extension for my player. I think I've used it in competition maybe a dozen shots in 3 years.
I have changed playing cues several times since but I've found it to be very easy to get an extension added, maybe that's cuz I'm close to a great cuemaker but I would never let a cue not having one stop me from getting a cue!
Hard to say, but I think Mosconi would be a top player today.
I have seen the debates about that and really don't want to get into it.
I also think he would be using modern equipment.
I am not a serious player and have not been for a long time. I just enjoy casual play. So, although I consider trying a CF shaft, I have no great compulsion to get into the modern gear. I am a cue afficionado and collector.
It looks like the mass producers and custom makers are addrressing the market demand for butts that take extensions.
If a player wants one and has an older cue, they can have it adapted or buy a newer cue.
More or less I am just amazed at how much has changed. Even more, some of the things that were criticized in yesteryear, ar now becoming accepted and even standard.
In my EDC case I have play, break, jump, and masse cues, and I carry my own bridge head that I have has since the 1980's. I have more than enough gear for enjoyable casual play. At home I have carom and snooker cues as well. But I have over 200 cues, so sometimes I just experiment and compare cues.
InsertCleverNameHere
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200 cues! Strong. Would love to see them
Everyone should keep in mind how many U.S. & World Championships
Willie won playing on 5’x10’ tables before 9’ tables became the standard.
I grew up in 5x10 tables playing pool and 3 cushion in the early 60’s.
It’s enormously harder than a 9’ table poses pocketing banks, long cut
shots, controlling cue ball speed for position & a lot more use of a bridge.
BTW, the cloth they were playing on back than was a wee bit slower too.
If you think it doesn’t matter, then you aren’t well acquainted with pool cloths.
p.s. Not picking on anything Lou posted.
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Check out these extensions and plug-n-play extension adapters from TactIQ available at Seybert’s. They replace weight bolts and accept extensions. The TactIQ extensions are CF and very light.
I tried a Schon for my Helmstetter (which will also fit my Adam and Orchid cues, but the butt cap doesn’t match up very well. It’s a little awkward so I just ordered a Joss adapter which appears to work better with my application. Fingers crossed.
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I tried a Schon for my Helmstetter (which will also fit my Adam and Orchid cues, but the butt cap doesn’t match up very well. It’s a little awkward so I just ordered a Joss adapter which appears to work better with my application. Fingers crossed.
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The next time you're at the table and you have an extra-long shot don't take a risk of missing with a bridge, add an extension to your arsenal. With mid shaft extensions and butt end extensions you can get the one that fits you best.
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If matching, an extension would be lovely. Hell, matching JPs while we're at it. 
But I'm not going to tell someone to get the f out of my face if they try to sell me a non-stolen SW/Tasc/Tad/Tonkin/Gina/Gilbert/Cog/Carmeli/Szamboti/Josey/Joss/Josswest/McWhorter/Diveney/insertwishlisthere for under market value because I can't fit an extension on it that very millisecond. "You only want $777? Each? Oh no, my wallet slipped open!!"
Aftermarket for the win. I can always grab a bridge if there is one (my next purchase of stuff to throw into the bag, along with a shorter extension) or show off my table gymnastics (I'm getting better at my dismount, though I'm sure the Russian judge would still score me lower.)
But I'm not going to tell someone to get the f out of my face if they try to sell me a non-stolen SW/Tasc/Tad/Tonkin/Gina/Gilbert/Cog/Carmeli/Szamboti/Josey/Joss/Josswest/McWhorter/Diveney/insertwishlisthere for under market value because I can't fit an extension on it that very millisecond. "You only want $777? Each? Oh no, my wallet slipped open!!"
Aftermarket for the win. I can always grab a bridge if there is one (my next purchase of stuff to throw into the bag, along with a shorter extension) or show off my table gymnastics (I'm getting better at my dismount, though I'm sure the Russian judge would still score me lower.)
I've been away from pool for 15 years. got back to it just over a year ago, so yeah, a lot have changed.... CF shafts, extensions, gloves, soft cases, 3 pieces jump cues (I had a Lomax jump cue over 16 years a go, I think he was the first to make them 3 pieces but all the pros were still using the short 2 piece jump cues), 4 inch pockets, purple 5, shot clock for men events (used to be only for WPBA on ESPN), $20 chalk... and more.
Getting back to the game required adjustments, the biggest one is the tighter pockets. I don't have 4 inch pockets tables where I play but there are 4.5 at one club and 4.25 at the other place and it was big enough change from the 5 inch pockets I was used to, now you actually have to aim.... I picked up a few CF shafts, I like them for being low maintenance, I don't play better with them or worst. I started using gloves because of CF and all the clubs don't allow using powder anymore...
The extension is the only piece of "new" equipment that makes a difference, again, I'm pretty good with the mechanical bridge, but in most cases, the extension just works better.
oh and there are some better tip maintenance tools these days, so progress is not bad.
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I don't think that this discussion refers to high end collectible cues that usually don't see any table time...If matching, an extension would be lovely. Hell, matching JPs while we're at it.
But I'm not going to tell someone to get the f out of my face if they try to sell me a non-stolen SW/Tasc/Tad/Tonkin/Gina/Gilbert/Cog/Carmeli/Szamboti/Josey/Joss/Josswest/McWhorter/Diveney/insertwishlisthere for under market value because I can't fit an extension on it that very millisecond. "You only want $777? Each? Oh no, my wallet slipped open!!"
Aftermarket for the win. I can always grab a bridge if there is one (my next purchase of stuff to throw into the bag, along with a shorter extension) or show off my table gymnastics (I'm getting better at my dismount, though I'm sure the Russian judge would still score me lower.)
I have a few nice cues (I play with them all), I wouldn't buy them again now that I have them for about 20 years... they are just not worth the investment in my opinion, and trust me, it's hard to see a nice cue for sale and skipping it...
But if we are talking about buying a cue for playing with it, if an extension is not an option then forget about it... so big no no to Schon (only 3rd party available), McDermott (only one line can get extension), Lucasi (also only on line can get an extension) and all the other brands that can't get an extension without taking the cue to be customized for it.
One of the WPA equipment specs is that a cue can weigh no more than 25 ounces. I don't know why they have a maximum cue weight in the rules. How would a real heavy cue help (unless you are Paul Bunyan)? I think I'd be fine with my opponent trying to play with a 3 pound cue.
Since the cue being used to hit the cue ball is the sum of all its pieces, my view is that extensions (whether built-in or add-on) should be counted in determining whether a cue meets the 25 oz. limit. [This is not explicitly mentioned in WPA rules.] I'd guess that a Tony Ryan extension weighing 9.57 ounces would put the vast majority of cues over the maximum weight limit.
The WPA rule matters, of course, only in events that are following those rules. The CSI rules, used by the BCAPL and the USAPL, also have this 25 oz. weight limit for cues. I've never seen anyone called for using a cue over the weight limit.
However, Bavafongoul, the next time you are in the finals of a WPA world championship you might get called on that. So maybe you need to add a 15 oz. cue to your arsenal for such an occasion.
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I beg to differ…….a friend of mine just sold his Eddie Cohen Color of Money “Doom” cue.
I know what he paid since it was going to be my order and he wanted it more than I did.
He just sold it and doubled his price. I have a offer for twice what I paid in ‘05 for my EP cue.
If you buy smart and the cue maker has a waiting list, i.e., longer the better, & your cue has
some curbside appeal or maybe even sizzle, you won’t lose money and likely net a nice profit.
So you get to own and play with a great pool cue, recover your entire original purchase price
and all the more likely realize a small or perhaps tidy profit in contrast with your cue peers that lose
money when they sell their cues, I suppose there could be something wrong with this arrangement.
WTF it is I can’t figure out but I guess there could be some how or some way. I can sell any of the
cues in my case right now and not lose a red cent but have enjoyed years of playing pool with them.
Hmn….I guess I could have invested my money in a mutual fund or gold but this was never money
intended to be an investment but rather money that came from investments and the IRS says you
must start withdrawals at age 70 so I complied, albeit maybe a bit sooner but with the same intentions.
So after how I figure out how this is a bad deal, I’ll get back to you. When something is too good to be
true, it usually is. But this much I know. Bob Owen would charge a whole lot more for my cues he built
for me than what I originally paid so if someone wanted my cues, why the heck would I sell them for less
than what he would charge to build those cues today? And yes, Bob has a wait list like all the top names
in cue making so that’s a consideration if a buyer was impatient and eager to get a Owen custom he liked.
Everyone can come up with the exception rather than the rule but the real world says what I described is true.
I know what he paid since it was going to be my order and he wanted it more than I did.
He just sold it and doubled his price. I have a offer for twice what I paid in ‘05 for my EP cue.
If you buy smart and the cue maker has a waiting list, i.e., longer the better, & your cue has
some curbside appeal or maybe even sizzle, you won’t lose money and likely net a nice profit.
So you get to own and play with a great pool cue, recover your entire original purchase price
and all the more likely realize a small or perhaps tidy profit in contrast with your cue peers that lose
money when they sell their cues, I suppose there could be something wrong with this arrangement.
WTF it is I can’t figure out but I guess there could be some how or some way. I can sell any of the
cues in my case right now and not lose a red cent but have enjoyed years of playing pool with them.
Hmn….I guess I could have invested my money in a mutual fund or gold but this was never money
intended to be an investment but rather money that came from investments and the IRS says you
must start withdrawals at age 70 so I complied, albeit maybe a bit sooner but with the same intentions.
So after how I figure out how this is a bad deal, I’ll get back to you. When something is too good to be
true, it usually is. But this much I know. Bob Owen would charge a whole lot more for my cues he built
for me than what I originally paid so if someone wanted my cues, why the heck would I sell them for less
than what he would charge to build those cues today? And yes, Bob has a wait list like all the top names
in cue making so that’s a consideration if a buyer was impatient and eager to get a Owen custom he liked.
Everyone can come up with the exception rather than the rule but the real world says what I described is true.
InsertCleverNameHere
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Same here. Have done quite well on cues which is in large part why I keep switching players. I love everything about the experience too.