Fargo and any other numerical scale can only provide variables for whatever arithmetic you might use or rely upon. For me on the road, (close to zero probability) maybe I can breeze through the 4s. Factors that really matter - like does the player give a shit(?) simply aren't in there. There certainly is no granular view of the skills you'd be dealing with. I'd rather be a practicer.
Curious-Do Fargo ratings differ by location?
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Cartune
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Jesus, for the 3rd time,,,,this is a THEORY question not a specific player question, nor who he played, how much he played for, or even what the other players ratings are. I appreciate your opinion DEEDEE, and would also like to hear other's opinions on the FARGO SYSTEM's consistency over regions/locations only. I was just curious how accurate everyone thinks it is. I should have just said that I guess. Thank you
DeeDeeCues
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Easy, buckaroo.
Cartune
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This is the type of response I was looking for. I wanted people's perspective on the system itself, not individual players.
From FargoRate site
Two players with the same rating, i.e., a 300 and another 300, or a 600 and another 600, have equal chances of winning a game between them. If the two players play multiple games, they will tend to win them in a ratio of 1:1 (one to one).
Two players with the same rating, i.e., a 300 and another 300, or a 600 and another 600, have equal chances of winning a game between them. If the two players play multiple games, they will tend to win them in a ratio of 1:1 (one to one).
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DeeDeeCues
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A couple of things.
First, you based your theory on a specific, that your buddy told you he crushed everyone in 147000 square miles.
Second, this has been beaten to death. Use the search.
Third, statistically it is well set up and Mike Page has repeatedly shown the validity based off of real results, not some dudes buddy claiming bs.
But you asked it in a way to guarantee responses like the ones you got. Then you got mad. The system is good. There have been threads on it.
Here are the matches from BCAPL/Vegas 8-Ball singles with in each case first player from MT and second player from CA. It is 143 games. The average rating is the same within 2 points for the MT players and for the CA players here. The overall score is MT 72, CA 71
Who is profiting off Fargo?
Why do we need Fargo.
They don’t do Fargo at DCC, but lessor Player still come.
Event fills to capacity with No FARGO.
Jmho
Why do we need Fargo.
They don’t do Fargo at DCC, but lessor Player still come.
Event fills to capacity with No FARGO.
Jmho
DeeDeeCues
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Well that's constructive.
It's no secret that I'm not a fan of handicapped tourneys, but I love FR and appreciate the work Mr Page has put into it. It is a great tool for comparing progress and performance.
Say, for instance, I go to Red deer Alberta and 'crush' a player 20-12. If I then go home and find out he is 150pts below my rating, it turns out that I didn't crush him and probably played below my ranking. Probably wouldn't be bragging to my friends about it...
The game.
Because an accurate rating system allows tournaments to attract players from other areas to come play. Both the tournament organizers and the players know the tournament will have reasonable divisions or handicaps etc…
DCC is one event once a year with 400-500 players in each event. The game is much bigger than that.
Look at the MOB event going on in Las Vegas this weekend. The 444 and under. No handicaps. $300 buy in plus side pots. Players traveled to it. That is good for the game, the host venue, the manufacturers. Las Vegas. A strong amateur base doesn’t guarantee a rich pro game, but it helps the industry and instructors and potentially the pro game. Events like that are good for everyone and FargoRate makes them more likely to happen and better.
As I stated and explained before many times. Before Fargo in Arizona we had our own Rating/Handicapping System. Went From 4 to 10, then 10-1 & 10-2. Rarting Comette ws few Players, and the Majority were Owners of Pool Places.
The better players complained the better then got, the less tournaments that were open to them. Few tournaments were 8's and Under, the Majority were 7's and Under. The Sports Bar, Pool Bar, and Last Room Owners knew the Recreation Players were their target market, because they were the group that purchased, food, drinks, and alcohol that make it possible to pay bills.
Was this a bad system? I would say no for the owners who wanted the Recreational Players in their businesses in their tournaments. Why they spend money, money paid bill, and provide income for owners.
Pool to a Sport Bar, Pool Bar, or Room Owner is a business venture. Most owner do not want to work seven days a week, for pocket change, or minimum wage when you have so much invested.
Today in Arizona the list is long of Pool Room, Bars with Pool Table that were, and are no more. I use to enjoy going on Tuesday night to a local bar tournaments. Honestly even if you populace you did not make money after gas, time, etc. Novelty wore off, it was no longer fun, about 8 years ago, and I do not go no more.
Sure if I went to Metro on Tuesday for a Big Table 9 ball Tournament, I would hear no Fargo, no Play. This happen to a friend who use to play under AZ System, he said "F" Em.
Sounds like there were some problems with the AZ system. But for the sake of argument I’ll concede that the old AZ system was more accurate than FargoRate. But your own description of it shows that it isn’t replicable or transferable. How did it rank the CA players? How did it rank the NM players? Let’s just confine it to the four corners states. How did the committee have the SLC players and the CO guys? Obviously it didn’t and couldn’t. The FargoRate system is much better overall and it has supplanted other local systems.
Augusta National apparently has its own handicapping system for members. It might work great for the $2 Nassau between members. But the USGA system works for everybody at all clubs and courses.
No matter how good a local system is, it is just that- local.
Cartune
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Thank you Mike for your post, very good info! I am in no way being negative about the actual system, I was curious if players thought that other locations had stronger players based on location alone. Literally, is the big fish in a small pond as good as the big fish in the ocean. Ocean fish sees a lot more sizeable fish than the pond player. It was just a thought to get others census on. Defiantly should not have mentioned anything about a friend...lesson learned LOL
Auto-correct is sweet, ain’t it?
And she asserted herself through the last part of that matchup too. 779>752, confirmed.