Cushion responce problem after table rebuild

WilliamD said:
Not to argue the point of course, but just to let you know ,the cushion material I recieved,when checked with a straight edge across the branded face , did not conform to absolutley flat. A small amount of light did indeed pass between straight edge and cushion material. I did refer to this as a "very slight concavity" and stand by my statement.
I consider myself quite attentive to details and even a casual observer could most likley identify which side of Tour Edition 30-30 table cloth goes up. Do you have any Ideas on the possibility of k55 being required on this particular table?
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I just installed a set and they were dead flat on the bottom. You put the stamped side down which is correct.

I'll have to disagree with your casual observer comment.
We get far too many calls asking which side is up despite the fact that the cloth and rails we ship are tagged with "top" stickers.
That said, it's best not to make assumptions but to cover the base that the cloth may be installed wrong.

Puzzling that you had to adjust down by 1/16th which suggests the bevel may have been recut at some time.
A subrail height is normally the same as the cushion intended to be applied.
If you still have the old cushions measure the height of the back and let us know if it is 1 1/8", 1 3/16" or 1 1/4"
 
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I believe you are right in your thinking that k 55 is the way to go, it will be closer to the correct height but will shrink the play area of the table.

In my opinion the problem is the original cushions are slightly different than the k66s available today, and because of that the angle of the subrail is cut for them, not todays k66s. I always assumed that but I could not verify because I had thrown mine away but you verified that for me.

I have a Gandy with the same problem ,I installed a small section of a k66,u23 and a k55 and the k55 are exactly at 1 7/16th.

I am not telling you to install k55s but I am going to try them on mine in the next 2-3 weeks.
 
Dartman; said:
.I just installed a set and they were dead flat on the bottom. You put the stamped side down which is correct.

I'll have to disagree with your casual observer comment.
We get far too many calls asking which side is up despite the fact that the cloth and rails we ship are tagged with "top" stickers.
That said, it's best not to make assumptions but to cover the base that the cloth may be installed wrong.

Puzzling that you had to adjust down by 1/16th which suggests the bevel may have been recut at some time.
A subrail height is normally the same as the cushion intended to be applied.
If you still have the old cushions measure the height of the back and let us know if it is 1 1/8", 1 3/16" or 1 1/4"
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Dartman

Thanks for the follow up :)
After some thought and considering your extensive experience in this field, and to avoid any confusion to others, I do concur with you,that the lower cushion face,by design, is flat.:thumbup:
I tend to go to real extremes somtimes:sorry:

That Tour edition 30-30 just seems to have a such a beautiful quality to the surface finish on the top side that I personally just can't imagine not putting that side up. I really love the play and speed of that cloth! Not having installed any upper end cloth before I didn't feel I was ready for a Simonis 860 or Gorina Basalt "install experience". The cloth was great to work with and a couple of minor points during the install were forgiven by the cloths great stretchability,especially on the rail work! There WERE top stickers on all cloth pieces supplied.:D

The old cushions were really tough to get off . There really were not many useful measuring points left on the back side. It was though evident,that congruity did not exsist between the old and the new cushions. I was assured this was not a problem as i mentioned before.
The subrail bevel had more room available than the cushion required and moving it down by a generous 1/16" did bring it to an acceptable point at the bottom of the subrail bevel. The old cushions seemed to ever so slightly overhang or "bulge over" both top and bottom edges of the subrail bevel but I guess I wrote that off due to their age.
I also am guilty of not measuring the subrail angle or face width. I strongly suggest any owner trying to perform this operation without experienced supervision pay close attention to those factors as it seems they are the very Heart and Soul of rail performance.

Although I feel that the "Artemis" cushions are a worthwhile investment in a table rebuild project, I dont believe that their are any inherent issues or problems with the Tour Edition Cushion design. It is my belief that when used in the correct application and conforming to all install requirements they would fit the needs of many table owners seeking good performance.

Oh and another "By the Way"

"ALL of you table technicians are underpaid"


After seeing the amount of time and attention to detail required to get the results that people automatically seem to expect I can't imagine the kind of pressure you must be under to get this type of work completed in the time frames available to you.

The fact that you Guys are so quick to offer your years of experience to help others demonstrates real Class!!

Thanks Guys!!:thumbup:


William D Turner;)
 
mechanic/player said:
I believe you are right in your thinking that k 55 is the way to go, it will be closer to the correct height but will shrink the play area of the table.

In my opinion the problem is the original cushions are slightly different than the k66s available today, and because of that the angle of the subrail is cut for them, not todays k66s. I always assumed that but I could not verify because I had thrown mine away but you verified that for me.

I have a Gandy with the same problem ,I installed a small section of a k66,u23 and a k55 and the k55 are exactly at 1 7/16th.

I am not telling you to install k55s but I am going to try them on mine in the next 2-3 weeks.
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I hate that you have the problem as well but I am somewhat comforted by it. I am looking foward to how the other profile works out, make sure you let us know (myrddin2@verizon.net). Thanks for all the help. I am going to play the table as is for a while with a new ball set. I measured
my current set (rather dated but still nice condition) and found them about 28 thous. under spec. of 2.25". Every little bit should help I guess!!

Thanks. :thumbup:
WilliamD
 
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