Custom and High End Cues on the Decline?

Tascarella is another cue that just hangs at its "sold from the maker value" beautiful cues but will never appreciate in value. Very few cues actually gain value and a lot of that has to do with the cue being "sold" 10 years+ prior to when it was built. Who has a 10+ year wait? Searing, Showman, Southwest anybody else?
 
To be honest, most people have overvalued the "scruggs died" money bump. The only ones to benefit from this are bushka and a lesser extent Szamboti. I cant imagine paying more for a scruggs pre vs post. Now don't get me wrong, Scruggs probably played better than both
...but
I beg to differ a bit. After a cue maker retires from building cues, or this world, their cues often appreciate.

For one thing, the population of cues made will never increase in number and can go only go down due to
damage or actually becoming lost. The value of a cue is always based on rarity and scarcity. The simple
version is supply and demand but actually rarity and scarcity is what really fine tunes the market price.

A living cue maker still active can make more of the same cue designs, obviously would increase the total
number of cues built so the rarity factor can come into play long before scarcity factor does. I think any well
regarded name in cue making that passes on would likely see the market value of cues appreciate. I paid $2500
for my Scruggs cue 20 years ago and I was the 2nd owner but the darn cue truly was pristine condition.

It is worth quite a bit more today. IMO, I attribute a lot of that to Tim not building cues any longer and he didn’t
make that many radial pin flat ivory joints (rarity factor). How many could you locate right now, today, that’s for sale
or within the last 6 months, 1 year or even 2-3 years (scarcity factor)?

The below outlines key factors that relate to a permanently retired cue maker’s pool cues appreciating afterward.
It directly reflects how they were faring while they were still building custom cues, not just catalog pool cue versions.



First and foremost, a deceased cue maker must have been a highly regarded name while he was building cues.

It just dawned in me how sexiest that sentence must come across to women readers. As if a women wasn’t as
qualified and capable as a man when it comes to cue making. Personally, I enjoy watching women professionals
play pool as much as I do men players. Jean Balukis could beat anyone on any day, even Willie admitted that. So
how come I can’t recall any famous, or just popular, names in cue making that are women. That just seems odd.

Secondly, the cue maker can’t be a large production shop where lots of the work is performed by subordinates and only
last minute cursory attention to detail gets performed by the cue maker. In other words, the cue maker has to be hands on involved with the build.

Thirdly, annual production and lifetime production of cues, especially the higher level, more intricate designs (Level 7 and above) has to be a modest number. The market shouldn’t have lots of replicated designs barely distinguishable from each other. The cue maker has to bring something to the build; craftsmanship and detailed execution has to be their hallmark.

Fourthly, the cue maker needs to be highly regarded by players, as well as his peers, for building a pool cue that is difficult not to praise the first time you play with it. The cue maker’s wares should become acclaimed about something.

Lastly, the cue maker must have been popular, and in great demand, while he was still making cues. He (or she) should have had a wait list for a custom cue order and I’m not going to suppose what it should be but you’d need to wait awhile before your cue was even started.
 
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i have not read most of the replies
but i too think the number of people who appreciate a fine custom cue is among the older generation who's days are numbered
the younger generation see the current pro's using production cues for the most part
only natural for them to want to emulate that
i sold off my collection several years ago and have no regrets
 
What a great guy Mike is, if he had tightened up his tolerances he would have been up there with the best. Oddly enough, his tolerances were on par with most Richard Black's, he just didnt have the name recognition.
The one's i've seen have all been awesome. I don't take magnifying glasses to cues so there may be some tiny flaws. They hit as good as any cue made. The one i have is from a batch of around 6-7 cues that he made for Wade Crane to take on the road to sell. I called Mike when i got it and when told how i got it he asked to buy it back. Said that run of cues was some of if not his best stuff. Wade and his stakepony got a lil stuck playing here in TulsaBilliardPalace and a couple friends bought two cues at good prices. I was given my 'bushka style by one of those guys. https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/my-jensen.531063/#post-6964494
 
i have not read most of the replies
but i too think the number of people who appreciate a fine custom cue is among the older generation who's days are numbered
the younger generation see the current pro's using production cues for the most part
only natural for them to want to emulate that
i sold off my collection several years ago and have no regrets
Agree 100%. The current gen. of players barely notice custom cues, the next generation will know only production stuff.
 
I've only seen 3 of Mike Gulyassy built cues and own two of them Earl Strickland had the third , I feel I can't get a cue that will hit a ball any better .
I still appreciate custom cues and will check the for sale page on a regular basis just to see what is being offered because it's a big wide world out there and my part of it is very small , my thirst for knowledge is way out there and as I've said before I love the game of pool !

In some ways I feel sad for them not wanting more from a cue that the next person who walks in to play pool has the same cue they're playing with ha ha yes this maybe a bit far fetched but the chances are growing at a fast rate .
 
I've only seen 3 of Mike Gulyassy built cues and own two of them Earl Strickland had the third , I feel I can't get a cue that will hit a ball any better .
I still appreciate custom cues and will check the for sale page on a regular basis just to see what is being offered because it's a big wide world out there and my part of it is very small , my thirst for knowledge is way out there and as I've said before I love the game of pool !

In some ways I feel sad for them not wanting more from a cue that the next person who walks in to play pool has the same cue they're playing with ha ha yes this maybe a bit far fetched but the chances are growing at a fast rate .
Keep your eyes open.

You may see a 4th.

I may put my 60" white ebony on up for sale at some point.

I need to start downsizing a bit...I have more than a dozen that are becoming closet queens.
 
I appreciate the thought honesty I do but I've had new medical issues rear their ugly head that I'm getting to deal with so I also am thinning down some of my cues and other items , but not my cues that mike made !
 
I am still building a good bit of what I consider the lower end of High end cues. Like $1500 and up for the butt.
I mention for the butt because the current shaft craze has made it to where people want a really nice butt to be made to play with their shaft collection. No kidding people are buying thousands of dollars in various shafts hoping to find that one magic high performance shaft and they want their custom cue to match those shafts. And I cannot blame them. Wood shafts only go with about half the cues I build now. The other half are getting either a Carbon Fiber shaft or no shaft.
 
A few months ago I was at the range qualifying for renewal of my CCW permit.
All of the guns on my permit are pretty standard versions and I chose my guns
on a variety of factors. One thingI hadn’t seriously considered was a custom gun.

There was a retired Highway Patrolman at the range the night I was there. He was
firing a Bill Wilson EDC X9 2.0 (9mm) - 3.25” custom 1911 design pistol. It is a $4k
gun when you add sales tax, registration, etc. it costs a lot more than my handguns.

Was it worth it? I had to find out and so I introduced myself and asked about the gun,
features, lead time, cost, accessories, accuracy and shootability. The owner said the
best way is to fire the gun and he handed me a couple of 15 rd. Mags and said here
ya go. Of course, I reciprocated and said he could try any of the handguns I had with
me. It turned out to be a enlightening experience. Yes, custom guns are built much better.

I walked away wondering why I hadn’t gotten one by now. I’ve spent more than that on
a pool cue and more than once. If a piece of wood built and adorned to look and play
the way you like, isn’t a gun that will last ad infinitem when cared for worth as much?

Besides, you don’t carry a pool cue to protect you from threat and harm but it’s exactly
why I carry a gun. I have it on my person every day but I don’t shoot pool every day. A
gun has a lot more significance and after firing the Bill Wilson custom 1911 design, I want
one badly, Better quality is easily discerned both in terms of a pool cue and a handgun.
IMO, the price difference is cost justifiable and the intrinsic value is always going to be high.
Wow I have to renew mine this month but all I have to do is go down and get a new picture taken and pay $45 and good for seven more years. That's in Florida. I don't have all that many guns but right now I'm carrying a Beretta
PX4 9 mm.

I didn't get it from Langdon but I did pretty much all the mods that he does on his custom gun other than the trigger job. I think his custom trigger job is good for competition but too light for actual carry. Florida just changed their law on open carry so I just ordered a new OWB holster. I would never actually open carry in public but on the property or in my shop it seems practical.
 
Follow some of the cue repair threads and see how some China production are made and see if you still feel the same way.

mezz is japanese. but, referring to your previous post, do these people want cues that matches cf shafts to a higher degree?
 
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