so what people are saying is that a production cue hits as good as a Szamboti ? i dont believe you and next time i see you ill let you hit some nalls with one of my Szambotis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you cant tell, then you dont know what HIT is
Custom Cue hits better than Production Cue! Really??!!
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Let's convince Kim Davenport to get rid of that 'boti he has with the matching jumper.billfishhead said:
I'll give him the top of the line Pred with matching breaker and jumper.
enzo said:
314s suck. IMO equipment is not related to skill.
Carry on.....................
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does Kim have a Szamboti jump cue ?
crawdaddio said:
do i even need to respond to this? if you think about it, what you have said, effectively, is a player can play as well with a crooked, 15 oz house cue with exposed ferrule as he can with a nice scruggs sneaky pete (they are both equipment). this is wrong, his capacity to play well with the scruggs would be higher. could he play well with the house cue? yes, but not as well as with the scruggs. you would have to conclude that ones skill level (or how well one is able to play) is therefore related to his equipment.
the 314 comment i'll leave alone, i personally don't know why i'm trying to convince people to have the same advantage as i have anyway.
Jeff said:No I haven't played with one of those shafts.
I did just buy a 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 15 inch block of "old growth" Birdseye Maple that was under water for 160 years. It will make a great looking forearm one of these days.
that hunk of wood will probably become the finest shaft youve ever hit balls with. it probably wont warp either, unless you abuse it.
314 -vs- house cue
jason miller just beat the world with a house cue,guess he doen't need your advantage.
enzo said:
jason miller just beat the world with a house cue,guess he doen't need your advantage.
enzo said:
sorry, got the threads mixed up.
chris
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Enzo:
Were you the one who was specifically looking for a custom jump break cue a week or so ago on this forum?
So, you like to shoot with a production shaft but break and jump with a custom cue. May I ask why? I am curious because most players do it the other way around.
Thank you.
Richard
Were you the one who was specifically looking for a custom jump break cue a week or so ago on this forum?
So, you like to shoot with a production shaft but break and jump with a custom cue. May I ask why? I am curious because most players do it the other way around.
Thank you.
Richard
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Cues
Let Me Just Put It Into Context And Make It Easy For Everyone. The Answer Is Easy Pool Is A Mental Game Once You Have The Fundamentals And Basics Down. And Not To Mention Experience. The Reason People Like A Custom Cue Better Is Because Its Custom. If I Took A Top Of The Line Viking And It Had The Markings Of A Tim Scrugss People Would All Say It Hit Great
Let Me Just Put It Into Context And Make It Easy For Everyone. The Answer Is Easy Pool Is A Mental Game Once You Have The Fundamentals And Basics Down. And Not To Mention Experience. The Reason People Like A Custom Cue Better Is Because Its Custom. If I Took A Top Of The Line Viking And It Had The Markings Of A Tim Scrugss People Would All Say It Hit Great
i love it when arrogant people think they are smart
lol, i'm a joke? go look at post #8 and see who posted it, then try looking (and then comprehending) what my username is.
and
it's would be best in the future when you tell somebody they are a joke to say "you're a joke".... your is possesive.
further
for the record i think you and i are done bogey, i don't feel the need to respond to you anymore. thanks for the discussion though.
bogey54311 said:
lol, i'm a joke? go look at post #8 and see who posted it, then try looking (and then comprehending) what my username is.
and
it's would be best in the future when you tell somebody they are a joke to say "you're a joke".... your is possesive.
further
for the record i think you and i are done bogey, i don't feel the need to respond to you anymore. thanks for the discussion though.
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Jeff said:
I'm fairly happy when I can aquire 18-25, I would'nt know how to act with 50 or over
It's getting hard to find the old growth these days. It would be hard for me to spend that much though, not that I don't think It worth it, just that It would'nt make many cues for me. Maybe on a personal cue If I was feeling alittle heavy in the pockets that day, and needed to lighten them up some
enzo said:
Apparently you did.
I know a lot of people like tight grain shafts, but how is that related to the amount of squirt off the tip of a shaft?
Besides, I have seen a lot of custom cues with grains that are not really tight and shafts that are not super white. Now, I am just wondering, when one talks about the shaft of a custom cue which makes the custom cue hit better, is it the taper or the growth ring that one is referring to?
There are many levels of production cues, and I did not intend for this thread to become production vs custom. Take us as an example, I build about 50 to 70 X Breakers a month now, I build each shaft with each butt, and I balance each cue one by one. I know there are some factory who makes 10,000 cues a month but as you can see, they would be very different from us.
We do not offer custom options because we do not like to change the taper or balance point to compromise its performance, and I guess that makes us production? But then Viking offers all kinds of options and they are still production. Some call us custom and some call us production. I am not going to agure about what is custom.
With CNC equipment these days, you can duplicate the exact taper of both the shaft and the butt. I read about the posts on shaft quality, and I agree that it will affect the hit; but I am not talking about buying woods from China, I am talking about buying good quality wood like what Schon is doing, and produce it in a factory with skilled and knowledgable workers.
A lot of posts here agree Schon or Schuler cues are made of great quality, and I agree.
I believe the weight of the shaft, and the balance of the cue as well as the weight distribution is very important; nevertheless, I cannot see how this could not be controlled with a good set up.
Is there something intangible with a custom cue that is just impossible to duplicate with modern technology thus making it a better in terms of performance?
Richard
Besides, I have seen a lot of custom cues with grains that are not really tight and shafts that are not super white. Now, I am just wondering, when one talks about the shaft of a custom cue which makes the custom cue hit better, is it the taper or the growth ring that one is referring to?
There are many levels of production cues, and I did not intend for this thread to become production vs custom. Take us as an example, I build about 50 to 70 X Breakers a month now, I build each shaft with each butt, and I balance each cue one by one. I know there are some factory who makes 10,000 cues a month but as you can see, they would be very different from us.
We do not offer custom options because we do not like to change the taper or balance point to compromise its performance, and I guess that makes us production? But then Viking offers all kinds of options and they are still production. Some call us custom and some call us production. I am not going to agure about what is custom.
With CNC equipment these days, you can duplicate the exact taper of both the shaft and the butt. I read about the posts on shaft quality, and I agree that it will affect the hit; but I am not talking about buying woods from China, I am talking about buying good quality wood like what Schon is doing, and produce it in a factory with skilled and knowledgable workers.
A lot of posts here agree Schon or Schuler cues are made of great quality, and I agree.
I believe the weight of the shaft, and the balance of the cue as well as the weight distribution is very important; nevertheless, I cannot see how this could not be controlled with a good set up.
Is there something intangible with a custom cue that is just impossible to duplicate with modern technology thus making it a better in terms of performance?
Richard
I know a lot of people like tight grain shafts, but how is that related to the amount of squirt off the tip of a shaft?
To many people, squirt is not a big factor.
To many people, a solid hit, great feedback an stiffness/rigidity matter more.
To many people, squirt is not a big factor.
To many people, a solid hit, great feedback an stiffness/rigidity matter more.
Joey,JoeyInCali said:
I agree with you on the issue of hit and squirt.
But on the QP site he said his cues have almost "no deflection" and then he went on and talked about the tight grain and how many rings his shaft had per inch. Therefore, I had the impresssion that he was relating the grain to "deflection." If he was not trying to imply that relation, then I am confused by the logic and order of his presentation.
Also, I think a shaft which is too heavy is not desirable. I cannot understand the concept of a 6 oz shaft being the best. What do you think?
Richard