custom cue makers
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Ken_4fun said:
marginal quality of southwest cues?i had lori make one the same as one of my friends original SW's that is over 20yrs old,my cue is identicle in every demension to his,overall length,length of shafts,length of butts and wraps,right now if have 3 SW,s that i am selling for a friend and same thing,they are identicle,two are jerry era and one is lori era,how can that be marginal.i have owned many of the cues that have been mentioned in this post and have not seen the quality of work of SW consistantly from any of them.the closest would be black boar,lori has every shaft and butt weighted to the exact gram,not ounce,gram,btw my shafts weight 28 grams each.nobody is more meticulous than SW when producing a cue that is why each one is serial numbered,by this number they can tell exactly what you have and build extra shafts or joint protectors and have them match exactly and also provent conterfeiting.
bill hagan is another story,he was from miamisburg ohio,about ten minutes from where i live,at our local pool hall there are a few stories about why he disapered,don't know whether to believe them or not,if you are looking for a hagan cue my friend has a pristine one he may part with.
Donald A. Purdy said:
Well, I might add that he asked about resale and about certain cuemakers and how they have built up their good names in the industry, why they had wait lists and why their cues got the resale prices they do. My post was just giving the opinion shared by many people, collectors, players and even other cue makers. Again I am sorry that you don't agree with this opinion, and you are entitled to your opinion, I can't argue that the cues play good or bad, it's personal preference. I can speak on the cue designs that I have seen and I did. I never said I don't like Phillippi cues, I just gave my opinion about why they have poor resale and why I wouldn't buy one. Also as far as who puts the most inlays in?? What does that have to do with anything? I know of many cue makers who put more inlays into cues, but inlays doesn't translate into GOOD in my eyes.
Jim
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JimBo, he did not ask about cue designs. He stated that he was already aware of the resale issue. His last line was a fact and a question. Neither of which you addressed. This is not a pissing contest my friend. He stated that he is now playing with a Phillippi and loves it. His question was " How does his cuemaking compare to some of those mentioned." You sir took it as an opportunity to knock Phillippi cues. Then you went on and suggested that I have something to gain by defending Richard and Rick. I personally know many of the top notch cuemakers out there. I have seen some lousy work in my day. I would never go on a public forum and bash anyones product or try and tarnish their name and possibly have a negative effect on their income. I had one instance where someone made a false claim and I called him on it. I also stated that he made one of the best products out there. It was a minor issue.JimBo said:
Best Regards, Don Purdy
You're right it's not a pissing contest, the question was about their cuemaking, part of cuemaking is the design work. I have already said I will not comment on hit because it's meaningless, that leaves designs and construction. What I commented on was the design aspect. You claim to know many of the top cuemakers, why don't you call them up and ask what they think about Phillippi's cue designs, you might have to come back and give me a public apology. That is if you are friends with them as you claim because as you may or may not know most cue makers will not speak the truth to some stranger on the phone. If you have seen some lousy work from a cue maker and you don't have the balls to speak up about it in public that would seem to be your own personal problem. I on the other hand have seen thousands of cues and know many of these same cue makers you claim to know, I have no problem facing them in public because everything I say here I would back up in public and is IMO the truth. I would have no problem telling Phillippi that I think some of the designs they have done over the years are just a bit to close to some other top makers, and I am sure they would have a lot of trouble debating it. Again I am sorry you don't agree with my OPINION but it's mine and it's what I find to be the truth. I was responding to someone who asked for it, I gave my reasons why and I am sure many agree with me. Not having the balls to give your opinion when it's negative is IMO a character flaw and one I don't share. But I guess if all you want to do is be an ass kisser good luck. Again IMO that helps nobody.Donald A. Purdy said:
JIM
Purdman
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Well JimBo Bob Boy
Now you have called me a ball less ass kisser and made several negative comments about Phillippi cues. The mans question was about cue construction, playability and having a great name in the business. Not a word about inlays or inlay designs. You just wanted to bash Phillippi and now you wish to question and bash me. I could care less about your OPINION because that is just what it implies. You know what they say about OPINIONS, and you are one of those also. So just sit behind your keyboard and bash everybody you don't agree with. One of these days you will accidently run into someone you talked trash about in the real world. I would love to show ya what a ball less ass kisser would do to a punk ass like yourself. AMF my friend.
Don Purdy
Now you have called me a ball less ass kisser and made several negative comments about Phillippi cues. The mans question was about cue construction, playability and having a great name in the business. Not a word about inlays or inlay designs. You just wanted to bash Phillippi and now you wish to question and bash me. I could care less about your OPINION because that is just what it implies. You know what they say about OPINIONS, and you are one of those also. So just sit behind your keyboard and bash everybody you don't agree with. One of these days you will accidently run into someone you talked trash about in the real world. I would love to show ya what a ball less ass kisser would do to a punk ass like yourself. AMF my friend.
Don Purdy
When you ask the question, "Do these cues actually play better...?" that, imo, is difficult to answer because everyone has a different opinion on the playability of a cue. Take a rack of house cues with different tapers, weights, lengths, etc. and let 5 players check them out. Each player will have their own preferences. It is doubtful that all 5 players will choose the same cue.
What I look at the most in a cue is the workmanship. Slide your hand over the joint and the inlays. If I feel any rough edges, I'm not going to be impressed. Next I'm going to look at the finish. Does it dazzle me or does it look dull? After that, I'm going to check out the taper of the shaft, the length of the cue, how it fits in my hand, etc. The hit is extremely important as well but again I think that it is a personal thing and a cue that hits good for me won't necessarily be good for someone else.
What I look at the most in a cue is the workmanship. Slide your hand over the joint and the inlays. If I feel any rough edges, I'm not going to be impressed. Next I'm going to look at the finish. Does it dazzle me or does it look dull? After that, I'm going to check out the taper of the shaft, the length of the cue, how it fits in my hand, etc. The hit is extremely important as well but again I think that it is a personal thing and a cue that hits good for me won't necessarily be good for someone else.
Rick said:
drivermaker
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larrynj1 said:
And what are you in the whole scheme of things, the forum high priest of anal itching products?
You were called exactly what you confessed to being; don't get mad at me if the truth hurts. By your own words you said you knew bad info about cuemakers yet wouldn't talk about it, that in my book makes you balless. If someone asks a question and you are afraid to give an honest reply about something you know to be fact it makes you balless. Sorry the truth hurts, I'm not looking at it as a negative comment or an insult it's just one thing about you and I that is different. I never asked you to care about my opinion, I wasn't giving it to you. The man asked about someone's cuemaking, I am not sure how you define the word, but to me it means beginning to end, that means Design-materials-workmanship-as well as how his work stands up and how he stands behind it. Hit is not part of that equation (again IMO). You claim I made bad comments about Phillippi cues, I disagree, but I am sure you can point some out to me other then the design thing. You also claim I am sitting behind my keyboard and Bash people I don't agree with, all I did was answer a question asked and gave MY OWN opinion, you seem to be the one who is disagreeing. Then you go on to threaten me, I find that funny. You don't like my opinion and then you threaten me. Well the difference is I'm not an anonymous screen name, 90% of the cue makers know who I am and I am very easy to find. I'll be at DCC and Valley Forge, you can ask anyone you'd like who JimBo is and I am sure they will point me out. Then we can walk over to Phillippi's booth I can point out what cues (if any) are very close to other cue makers designs and you can agree, disagree and then follow through on your internet threats if you like. I don't hold grudges and I don't beat people up over opinions I don't like (words on a computer screen). Have a nice day.Donald A. Purdy said:
Jim
Q Addiction
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Phillippi cues.
JimBo's comments about Phillippi cues are the same as any cue dealer I have talked to in the past. That's why their resale value is low. IMO, he is stating what the majority of people think of Phillippi cues.
JimBo's comments about Phillippi cues are the same as any cue dealer I have talked to in the past. That's why their resale value is low. IMO, he is stating what the majority of people think of Phillippi cues.
drivermaker
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larrynj1 said:
I think that gerbil that's running around in your butt might have made it's way to your brain....that makes sense...they're located in the same place. LMAO
I'll put up $10k in a debate between you and Jimbo on both of your knowledge regarding cues. You can ask your own questions to each other or someone from the outside will. This should be a riot....like a guy with a couple of PhD.'s debating a 3rd grader.........LOL
drivermaker
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larrynj1 said:
Gerbilman...let me say it one more time...I WILL POST $10k to have YOU and Jimbo debate pool cues. I'll have to clear it with Jimbo, but I think he'll gladly take half of your $10 grand in a split. I am NOT Bullshitting!! I know Jimbo's knowledge of pool cues, what I know about you is that you ARE an ASS, and I'm surely not obsessed with it. YOU are with what you think is funny by always scrawling in..."my ass itches...scratch scratch". What a class act...pony up big mouth!