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rackem'

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Hello to all I was refered here by a friend that said I could get some advise with a problem I'm having with a cue maker I ordered a cue in April 07 paid for it in advance and here it is May 09 and I still have not gotten my cue I would rather not mention the cue makers name but the cue that was asked for him to build was one that I lost in hurricane Katrina in 05 and I designed it myself when I orginaly got it so I wanted another one to replace it. well I found this cue maker on line that was very well spoken of and I decided to contact him he gave me the price for the cue and a extra shaft and I sent him three separate payments with in a month and paid for it in full.
well I still have not gotten my cue or a refund of my money and I have all my money that I had set aside for a new cue tied up with him. So as of today I'm still with out a cue and continue to play with other players cues just wanted to know if anyone had any advice for me to what to do or how to handle this situation any advice would be nice.


thank you for your time,
rackem'
 
Depending on who the cue maker is, you should expect to get the cue in the mail sometime between tomorrow and April 2017 (or you could just call him and ask).

Good luck. :thumbup:
 
The previous poster is right. Depending on the wait period of the cuemaker you ordered from, it could be a while. Some only have a wait time of 3-9 months. But, some are pretty backed up, due to more orders than they can complete for a while to come. Some only make 8 or 10 cues per year. Some make 50. Some make 100 or so.

I would e-mail or write the cuemaker and ask how much longer he expects to be on your cue.

For future reference, you might ask how long a cuemaker's waiting period is, before you order from him.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
 
Hello to all I was refered here by a friend that said I could get some advise with a problem I'm having with a cue maker I ordered a cue in April 07 paid for it in advance and here it is May 09 and I still have not gotten my cue I would rather not mention the cue makers name but the cue that was asked for him to build was one that I lost in hurricane Katrina in 05 and I designed it myself when I orginaly got it so I wanted another one to replace it. well I found this cue maker on line that was very well spoken of and I decided to contact him he gave me the price for the cue and a extra shaft and I sent him three separate payments with in a month and paid for it in full.
well I still have not gotten my cue or a refund of my money and I have all my money that I had set aside for a new cue tied up with him. So as of today I'm still with out a cue and continue to play with other players cues just wanted to know if anyone had any advice for me to what to do or how to handle this situation any advice would be nice.


thank you for your time,
rackem'

Have you asked for your money back in writing? Send a registered letter and if you get no answer talk to your states attorney. These cue makers can be real jerks sometimes. Many actually violate federal laws with their business practices, especially if they are in another state. They could be charged with a number of offenses including mail fraud. I have a feeling one letter from an attorney will get you your money.
I know I am advocating an extreme stance but this stuff becomes ridiculous after a while. They run their business like a joke. Few pay taxes or even have licenses of any kind. Some of these cue makers need a reality check about what it means to own a business.
Judge Judy even had a case like yours once where a cue maker just never delivered the cue.

I should add, most cuemakers will not take all the money up front even if you offer. They may take a small deposit but that is about it.
 
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Depending on who the cue maker is, you should expect to get the cue in the mail sometime between tomorrow and April 2017 (or you could just call him and ask).

Good luck. :thumbup:

if you learned about him online there's a good chance someone else on this forum will hear about him online. unless you tell us who he is there's a good chance someone else will be ripped off just like you were.
 
I agree!

Someone on this forum would probably be able to help.I am interested in avoiding this scenario if you care not to disclose I understand fully.I hope your cue is along shortly it sucks to have to borrow one constantly I am sure!
 
I have to agree some of these cue makers can care less about thier customers . While there are several on here that do and work hard to please thier customers and keep them updated. For several a due date means nothing to them but they want thier money and have no shame in asking for it even before the cue is finished. Being a year or two late on the due date means nothing at all to them. But if we ran a business like this we would not last long at all and be out of business. I recently came out of a bad experience like this the guy emailed me asking for payment in full saying the cur was ready and 4 or 5 months later I still had not recieved it ...

I asked BHQ to build me a cue and he told me it would take a year as he had a waiting list. I got the cue in less then 6 months now that is service and someone who cares about his customers. Leon Sly has always been on time on the rare occassion it took a little linger he was always on the phone updating me and never asked for full payment until the cue was done. Doug Patrick ran a little behind on a detailed custom but again he kept me updated and never asked for full payment until he had the cue ready to ship. All of these guys did excellent work and I would highly recommend them. I am sure there are many others on here who are good to deal with also.

The problem is you have to weed through the good and the bad and sometimes you hit a lemon and then it can get rough because cue makers tend to stick together. I would try emailing , PM'ing and / or calling to try to resolve it if that fails it is time to go public with it and let everyone know what the deal is and if you have to who your dealing with so other do not get stuck also ...If all else fails and you have the resources then get the law involved mail fraud , fraud , theft there are several different charges that may apply .. Also as someone else stated many of these guys have no business liscense and pay no taxes on what they earn federal or state that is always another option ... I have considered all of these myself but I have not had it get that bad yet. Either way I wish you the best of luck... Some of these guys think they are God's gift to pool and the only one that can build you a good cue ... Sad thing is these are the ones to be weary of becuase most of the time they crook you or send you junk. On the other hand I have met and made friends with several cue makers who are great people and people I would be proud to call my friends... Cue makers are no different then the every day person there are good and bad ones you just have to do your homework then hope you get lucky and hit a good cue maker ...
 
1. You haven't mentioned whether or not you have even ATTEMPTED to have some sort of dialogue with this person, much less convey any conversation. All you say is "no cue, no refund". If you haven't, I don't have any sympathy for you, especially considering you are choosing to make you gripe public. There isn't much more to say if you haven't spoken with the person in question.
 
1. You haven't mentioned whether or not you have even ATTEMPTED to have some sort of dialogue with this person, much less convey any conversation. All you say is "no cue, no refund". If you haven't, I don't have any sympathy for you, especially considering you are choosing to make you gripe public. There isn't much more to say if you haven't spoken with the person in question.

I think they are honestly asking for advice. This is their first post. Most people who have not delt with cuemakers can't believe they can be treated like that. The cue maker just lies to you over and over. Their word is worth nothing. It can be shocking, you are just not used to being treated that way and made to feel they are the one doing something wrong.
 
I would be finding out where he lives and drive to that address and ring his door bell. It's been two years and you have probably had 3-6 vacations one of them would have been to get a cue or some coin back.
 
if you feel the maker has wronged you then you should disclose his name. you would be suprised the attention this forum gets and the members can make a difference. if he is not on the right path then outing him could take a huge chunk out of his buisness. trust me hed rather make 1 cue then loose buisness on 10 cues or more.

with that being said if you ordered one from pete tascarella for example you could just not know.

what i would do now is contact the maker and tell him about this thread. tell him you want to see some positive progress on this matter or you will blast him publically. if he is a member here he will understand how powerful we as a group can be and make it right. if he doesnt he will loose buisness.
 
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I think they are honestly asking for advice. This is their first post. Most people who have not delt with cuemakers can't believe they can be treated like that. The cue maker just lies to you over and over. Their word is worth nothing. It can be shocking, you are just not used to being treated that way and made to feel they are the one doing something wrong.

That may very likely be the case, but there isn't enough info here for anyone to give good advice really. I can tell you, however, that if I were in his shoes, had already talked to the cuemaker and still had no resolution, I would disclose all of that when asking for help.

There is a big difference in being frustrated at having to wait and being lied to. The poster here is, and reinforced by responding posts, saying the latter without any evidence to substain it.

If this gentleman is truly getting the "shaft" let him say exactly how and I will be the first to back him up. Simply having to wait a long time for a cue doesn't qualify.
 
First of all, welcome to the forum. I apologize for not saying that, before. I am sorry your first post has to be one of such a situation.

I have a lot of respect for you, because you thought ahead enough to be careful about not mentioning the cuemaker's name, before finding out what is normal. It is very hard not to blast someone, when you feel wronged. I'm sure it's even harder to weed through all these responses to make a decision about what you need to do from here.

I did notice you had not said whether you have been in contact with the cuemaker, but you did say you haven't received the cue or a refund.

Have you exhausted all means of making contact with the cuemaker?
Did you make sure he actually received your payments?
Did he acknowledge receipt?
Did he give you any ideas when to expect your cue?
Did you give him a good address to send the cue to?
Have you moved, since then?
Do you know for a fact that your cuemaker is still living?

Yes, many cuemakers do tend to support each other, but it is because most people do not realize what really goes into building a cue. And, what if something was to go wrong with a cue being built? Then, you have to start a few months' process all over, again. What if a cuemaker had major medical issues and could not work for a while? Or, his spouse or child had major medical issues? That wouldn't give him a right to use your money for them, but he should at least make contact and let you know there has been a delay and see if you'd like to continue waiting, or go elsewhere.

There are tons of reasons for lack of communication, although if it's been 2 years, I would say that's way too long. Surely there has been communication.

Please try earnestly to make contact with the cuemaker. If you are unable to make contact and/or get a satisfactory response from him, write us back and let us know how things are going at that point.

Whatever you do, don't mention the name of the cuemaker until you are sure you have no other means of getting your situation fixed in a satisfactory manner. If you do mention his name, there is a very good possibility that you could be the cause of a lot of business lost and if there is a good reason for the situation, you could wrongly take a good man down in a hurry. Some cuemakers would gladly have one less cuemaker on the market, but don't fall prey to their suggestions of taking one down, because more good cuemakers means more good choices for customers. Also, if you cause a loss of business to a cuemaker who is able to prove he had not done anything wrong, there could be legal issues to resolve. That would be even worse.

There is a lot to think about in your situation. Obviously, you need to make contact. If you've done that and can't come to some satisfactory agreement, you need a cue or a refund. If you have been cheated and you find it out, please do mention his name and help everyone else protect themselves. But, do your very best to be sure, before you mention any names.

I believe you are a very wise person and have already thought this out and just came here to see if anyone could give you any better advice than you can think of, on your own. The reason I believe this, is because you didn't just start spouting off names and events. You calmly shared your story. (Almost too calmly for a newbie.) But, do know that some of us appreciate your honest and respectable approach to this matter.

Good luck with getting your cue or your money. Please keep us posted, as we are all concerned, at this point.
 
I thank all of you for your responses as for all that have said contact the cue maker I have been in contact with him by phone and email since march 2008 at the time I ordered the cue I was told about 8 months. well I waited untill march 2008 to contact him and I have made several calls by phone and I have sent emails which I have copies of. the most recent call was yesterday with no response and email yesterday moring with no response. As for payment I paid with checks that were cashed by my bank so the money was already used. also someone mention did I ask for my money back in wrinting and that would be a yes in a email and also on the phone during one of my conversations with him. before yesterday the last conversation I had with him was at the start of may and I was told that " If I had the money I would refund it but I don't but I do have the ability to make you a cue and I will have something going soon " this is what I'm told. But how much longer should I wait what's right from wrong all I want is my cue. I sometimes whish I would of know more about all this stuff but you learn as you go.
I also have a copy of all the checks that were wrote and I feel I have giving him every chance and time that I can give all I want is a resolution and if he can't make the cue then I need to find someone that can.

Thanks Again
Rackem'
 
I thank all of you for your responses as for all that have said contact the cue maker I have been in contact with him by phone and email since march 2008 at the time I ordered the cue I was told about 8 months. well I waited untill march 2008 to contact him and I have made several calls by phone and I have sent emails which I have copies of. the most recent call was yesterday with no response and email yesterday moring with no response. As for payment I paid with checks that were cashed by my bank so the money was already used. also someone mention did I ask for my money back in wrinting and that would be a yes in a email and also on the phone during one of my conversations with him. before yesterday the last conversation I had with him was at the start of may and I was told that " If I had the money I would refund it but I don't but I do have the ability to make you a cue and I will have something going soon " this is what I'm told. But how much longer should I wait what's right from wrong all I want is my cue. I sometimes whish I would of know more about all this stuff but you learn as you go.
I also have a copy of all the checks that were wrote and I feel I have giving him every chance and time that I can give all I want is a resolution and if he can't make the cue then I need to find someone that can.

Thanks Again
Rackem'
This guy is just what I described. He probably doesn't have a license, or pays any taxes and isn't even a liget business. The guy doesn't have a pot to pis$ in. How does he even buy supplies. It cost money to be in the cue business. You have thousands tied up just in stock. Tell him you no longer want the cue but you want your money back. Send your request to him a registered letter preferably on an attorneys letter head. My attorney would draft a letter like this for me for nothing. You don't want a cue from this guy anymore, he has already shown himself to be what he is.
People like this need to be brought to light, they give every hard working cuemaker a bad name. Hel!, if someone gave him a cue for repair and something happened to it, it got damaged or stolen forget he has insurance, this jack off could not even pay for it.
 
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This guy is just what I described. He probably doesn't have a license, or pays any taxes and isn't even a liget business. The guy doesn't have a pot to pis$ in. How does he even buy supplies. It cost money to be in the cue business. You have thousands tied up just in stock. Tell him you no longer want the cue but you want your money back. Send your request to him a registered letter preferably on an attorneys letter head. My attorney would draft a letter like this for me for nothing. You don't want a cue from this guy anymore, he has already shown himself to be what he is.
People like this need to be brought to light, they give every hard working cuemaker a bad name. Hel!, if someone gave him a cue for repair and something happened to it, it got damaged or stolen forget he has insurance, this jack off could not even pay for it.

If you send a letter, use Certified not Registered. It has the same sort of paper trail and required sig for receipt, but without the extra cost. You really only want Registered for high dollar items. At this point I would suggest you disclose the name of the person in question, tell him about this thread and give him a chance to respond. There are always 2 sides to a story and I would like to hear his.

If you want to pm or email me the number, I would be happy to give him a call myself.
 
If I'm following your timeline correctly...
You ordered a cue in April of 2007 & were told a delivery time of approx 8 months.
In March of 2008, you began inquiring, in earnest, as to the status of a cue that was already 3 months late.
Now, in late May of 2009, you are being told that he can "...have something going soon..." & that he doesn't have money to refund to you.

Just my opinion - this guy has gone way beyond bounds, and has in effect told you he never even started on your cue.
I think it's time to provide his name here & pursue a refund thru legal means (including fees) - UNLESS you are able to get a firm commitment of when the cue will be ready, what happens if it's not (discounted price?), AND you're willing to agree to it.
Frankly - I wouldn't want this guy building me a cue at this point. Who knows what shortcuts he's willing to take to get out from under.
Credibility is too precious a commodity to throw away carelessly.
 
I totally agree with everyone else. You have waited too long and should have something to show for it. It is important to be patient when ordering a cue, but this is overkill. If he told you 8 months, when you first ordered, there shouldn't be any "I will have something going, soon." It does sound like he's just trying to see how long he can put you off. He should have at least had the wood put together, even if he didn't have your inlays done. Sounds like he hasn't even picked out the wood, yet.

If he's really a cuemaker, he has wood, machinery, etc., which means he has a way to give you a refund, even if he has to sell some of that stuff. You have not defaulted on your agreement. He has.

In my opinion, I think it couldn't hurt to let him know you have exposed the situation and are about to share his name with quite a large number of folks, if he doesn't come through with your refund. You could let him know we are a nice bunch, but we want to hear his side of why 8 months hasn't even started, yet.

Knowing what we know now...... The only way I could be as calm as you, is if I had heart attacks again and was totally unable to fight anything. That was an awful feeling and I hope to never go back.

If you sent the money, you should have a cue in the 8 months promised, unless some kind of delay came up that was worked out between you and the cuemaker. Otherwise, a refund is definitely in order.

I'd be writing through snail mail with a return receipt to prove when the letter was delivered and who signed for it. I'd be telling him to write back with a reasonable explanation of why your cue has been delayed along with photos of the current status of your cue, or a complete refund. He doesn't even deserve to keep a non-refundable deposit for what he's done to you.

If what you say is true, you could probably have quite a few cuemakers on this guy's tail, too. What he is doing gives them all a bad name. It is not fair to you or to other cuemakers.

For future reference, when you select another cuemaker to build you a cue, look for reports about his work from obviously different sources and not the ones you find on his website. Look elsewhere, online. Even if he's local to you. Look for some kind of reports on his work... where someone has bragged on their great cue, or told of the shortfalls of it. Ask around and get some actual feedback from a live human, not just a blog. I wouldn't give more than 50% of the total up front, if requested. The rest isn't due until you have photos of the finished cue you ordered and he is ready to ship your cue. And, whenever possible, contact your cuemaker by e-mail or snail mail for written proof of what he tells you. A lot of folks think a phone call is the best way to do your business. A phone call might come in handy, to be sure he understands what you want, but be sure to back it up with a letter stating everything that you both agreed on, so he has a chance to correct any misunderstandings, right then.

Good luck with this. You may be a newbie, but you have come to the right place for support... That's for sure!!
 
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