Thanks for bringing this back up Murray. How much to undercut was an issue of mine as well, so that helped. as I mentioned I can do them flush, and they look real good most of the time, but the undercutting is alittle tougher. I am pretty much doing them the same way I hear others are so guess i am on the right track.
The rings will expand from heat, but what stumps me is sometimes they seem to rise after they cool instead of strinking. that goes against all logic to me, but seems to happen sometimes. I do aggree that metal will expand when hot, and strink when cool, but seems to me, the most heat they see is when cutting them, unless the cue was left in a seriously hot vehicle or something. In that case would not be good for any part of the cue.
I aggree with Chris on the issue that the rings serve no real purpose except for looks, and I prefer not to use them, but some people want them, so i must master it for myself for when the need arises. they seem to flatten out the hit alittle to me. I do like a steel joints crispness for my personal cue though, because my game is alittle looser then most, kind of like keith's style, but affraid I don't share the same charm he does. The all wood seems to be working for others, so i will build more in that style probably.
Another thing that I believe could cause the rings to rise would be if the were not perfectly flat to begin with, after the cue compresses them they could also rise that way. That's why I make sure I sand them perfectly flat before installing. Also helps the glue stick.
After this thread, I was left kind of feeling like noone wanted to come off the answers to this one, because seemed as if they were doing it the same as me from what I heard, Unless My cordination was not good when undercutting, not something I have ever had a real problem with, as i have alway been as cordinated, or more so then most others I know, so I went into deep thought about a better method, went back and checked out the different materials, and think I figured it out. Chris I will give you this, altough it came alittle late, you are like a book of knowledge sometimes, because what I came up with before reading these latest responses, was that the material was the problem, as in the nickel part, and seems to me if you want a quality job you have to spend the extra bucks per ring, and go with the solid sterling instead of nickel/silver rings, so i have some on the way to try out. I am also going to try those sterling billet strips out to see how I like those.
Thanks to everyone for their imput on this, even if i don't get the exact answers i need all the time right out the gate, It sometimes helps me come to My own conclusions, which rang true I believe in this one. Won't know for sure till I try the new rings, but pretty sure that will help quite a bit. Besides we all know most of the time quality materials cost more, and leads to an overall better end product. thanks Again, Greg
Thanks guys, will let you'all know how It works out.
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what the &%$ IS HE THINKING?