Dallas Pool School

td...Easier according to whom? You? Of course they were pros long before they attended pool school. That's not the issue. The point is that any player, at any level, can benefit from this "education"...and that's why they come. Pool school doesn't "make" you a pro...it gives you professional direction, and a path to follow, to achieve any goals you choose...which is what the OP was asking about. It's specific training, geared to each individual, and their own skill level, designed to help the student learn how to most efficiently and effectively train themselves, for whatever purpose suits them. You didn't mention Henry. He was already a 2-time national champion, when he came to school last year, and I believe his words at the end of school were, "This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!" That's a pretty powerful endorsement, if you ask me.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

td873 said:
I think the reason that the beginner's statement came out is that it is easier for a beginner to learn the methods taught at Pool School than trying to have an advanced player re-learn a new system [over years of bad habits]. Pool School is probably a great choice for most, but not for everyone. But I do agree that Randy and crew are a great bunch, and if you are taking pool seriously, you can benefit from attending.

As for using Allison and Karen, etc., as examples, they were (for the most part) already practicing the methods taught, and did not need to reinvent the wheel. They were pros long before they attended pool school.

-td
Click to expand...
 
Scott Lee said:
td...Easier according to whom? You? Of course they were pros long before they attended pool school. That's not the issue. The point is that any player, at any level, can benefit from this "education"...and that's why they come. Pool school doesn't "make" you a pro...it gives you professional direction, and a path to follow, to achieve any goals you choose...which is what the OP was asking about. It's specific training, geared to each individual, and their own skill level, designed to help the student learn how to most efficiently and effectively train themselves, for whatever purpose suits them. You didn't mention Henry. He was already a 2-time national champion, when he came to school last year, and I believe his words at the end of school were, "This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!" That's a pretty powerful endorsement, if you ask me.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Click to expand...

I have heard enough. I have already reserved a date in September. I figure I can go to the class, practice like a madman for six months and then snap off the U.S. open!
 
OK. I got my private pilots license (30 years ago), after taking the written test and then a practical test. This is when you take a check pilot/instructor for a ride so they can make sure you can actually... fly.

If you pass, you get your single engine, VFR pilot’s license. I did and will always remember what the check pilot/instructor said to me when he handed me my license.

He said 'Son, this is a license to learn.' I went on to get a bunch of ratings and never balled up an airplane.

I took Randy Gs pool school and walked out of there feeling exactly the same way. I had a license to learn.

Now I KNOW why I miss, but I have the tools and knowledge to fix it. Not to mention, I miss a LOT less now.

Oh yeah, Randy is a great guy and it’s fun as hell. Take the school.
 
Scott Lee said:
td...Easier according to whom? You? Of course they were pros long before they attended pool school. That's not the issue. The point is that any player, at any level, can benefit from this "education"...and that's why they come. Pool school doesn't "make" you a pro...it gives you professional direction, and a path to follow, to achieve any goals you choose...which is what the OP was asking about. It's specific training, geared to each individual, and their own skill level, designed to help the student learn how to most efficiently and effectively train themselves, for whatever purpose suits them. You didn't mention Henry. He was already a 2-time national champion, when he came to school last year, and I believe his words at the end of school were, "This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!" That's a pretty powerful endorsement, if you ask me.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Click to expand...
I think your comments miss the mark. The Pool School regimen is not simply plug and play. It is an entirely new system and way of approaching the game. It is NOT something that anyone can just "pick up" at any level of play as you insinuate. Quite the opposite. Even your comments underscore your recognition of this point [i.e., "direction" "path to follow" "train themselves" etc].

It is common sense that a long standing habit is not easy to break. The same is true for pool. No one can simply take up a new system and be proficient at it. It takes many hours of diligent work to completely incorporate the system. That being said, my comments are not intended to detract from the likely benefits for those that stick with it. But for some, the change is too dramatic and too lengthy to endure to the end.

Lastly, one resounding endorsement [from Henry] doesn't tip the scales just as one failure would not. It is anecdotal evidence at best on par with statements like Efren doesn't use the system.

-td
 
I think we are making some generalizations here that miss the mark. For example, I had a 3 day school this past weekend, and one student (an APA 7) had run up against a brick wall with his game. In 3 days, we did not "change" his game, but we were able to incorporate some new ideas into his game that are going to move him forward. What we did was give him the knowledge of what he had been doing, and by modifying what he was doing, the results were going to be much more to his liking. We didn't change his game, we just helped him find ways to improve his game.

It doesn't matter what your skill, or how long you have been playing, the more you learn, the better you will become. But only if you want to become better. If you want to stay where you are, just keep doing what you have always done.

Steve
 
Tom...If we wanted to, we could fill up a 100 page thread with "resounding endorsements"...there were plenty in this thread alone (but that's something we don't care to, or have to do). BTW, Efren uses "the system", just like every pro on Earth. Every pro does "their" thing, the same way, every time, on every shot...that's one of the key things that make them a pro. "The System" is about teaching yourself how to figure out your "perfect process", and training yourself to be able to do it the same way every time, on every shot, without having to think about it. The length of time it takes, and the mental/emotional/physical committment it demands are different for each student...and yes, it's true that some students will GIVE UP because they aren't willing or can't stick with it long enough, to replace what they have used forever. The definition of insanity is doing the same old thing the same old way, and expecting a better result.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

td873 said:
Lastly, one resounding endorsement [from Henry] doesn't tip the scales just as one failure would not. It is anecdotal evidence at best on par with statements like Efren doesn't use the system.

-td
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
I've known RandyG for 8 years, he's a good instructor & has a great Pool School. I've not seem him play, but I've been told he can get around the table...

Good Luck in your endeavor, be true to yourself & those around you.
 
Last edited:
My experience

There are plenty of them already but I will throw mine in here.

I took the school last September with 2 other people from Randy. The two reasons I took the class were because of the video analysis, as well as I knew I had bad fundamentals. I saw myself on video and got a good laugh because (and Randy would probably agree with me here), I HAD NO PROCESS. I just came up and hit balls. There were other problems too that were pointed out and were obvious once seen on video. I think I got 0's in the 3 main categories we were graded on out of 10 and hands down had a lot worse fundamentals compared to the two other guys. I am just your normal 7 in APA that had about 12 years of bad fundamentals ingraved in my play. I laughed and told Randy I had no idea how I was able to make balls and shoot well enough to get to that level.

By the end of the third day there was major improvement on every category. I actually had a game plan and process going into every shot. One of the main objectives was to give us the tools needed to break down our own games and let us know why we miss when we do. Someone may say well I know why I missed, or I didn't cut it enough etc...well just to get a bit deeper instead of saying I didn't cut it enough, I can say my grip was too tight, or maybe my eyes were not on the object ball after I got to my set position. I also may not have finished my shot completely...the list goes on of ways I can tell why I miss when I do that go beyond I just didn't cut it enough.

Everyone learns at different speeds. Due to the bad fundamentals I had for 12 years I still find myself going back to them occasionally, but not nearly as often. When I practice my drills I learned, and do my full process on each shot, I hands down play better and make more shots then I used to.
 
Spimp13...You forgot to mention that in addition to learning how diagnose your errors...even more important is knowing what to do to self-CORRECT them, the next time you get back to the table. A slump lasts only one shot, if you know what error you made, and know what to do to correct it! Your story shows great evidence (that we see all the time), about how very skilled players, who can pocket balls and run out, can still benefit from this kind of instruction. Even though 9 months later you still occasionally fall back into some bad habits, the day will come when you almost never do (everybody makes errors, even Efren, Allison, Johnny, and Earl). I bet when you do your "process" completely, you often get better position too! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Spimp13 said:
There are plenty of them already but I will throw mine in here.

I took the school last September with 2 other people from Randy. The two reasons I took the class were because of the video analysis, as well as I knew I had bad fundamentals. I saw myself on video and got a good laugh because (and Randy would probably agree with me here), I HAD NO PROCESS. I just came up and hit balls. There were other problems too that were pointed out and were obvious once seen on video. I think I got 0's in the 3 main categories we were graded on out of 10 and hands down had a lot worse fundamentals compared to the two other guys. I am just your normal 7 in APA that had about 12 years of bad fundamentals ingraved in my play. I laughed and told Randy I had no idea how I was able to make balls and shoot well enough to get to that level.

By the end of the third day there was major improvement on every category. I actually had a game plan and process going into every shot. One of the main objectives was to give us the tools needed to break down our own games and let us know why we miss when we do. Someone may say well I know why I missed, or I didn't cut it enough etc...well just to get a bit deeper instead of saying I didn't cut it enough, I can say my grip was too tight, or maybe my eyes were not on the object ball after I got to my set position. I also may not have finished my shot completely...the list goes on of ways I can tell why I miss when I do that go beyond I just didn't cut it enough.

Everyone learns at different speeds. Due to the bad fundamentals I had for 12 years I still find myself going back to them occasionally, but not nearly as often. When I practice my drills I learned, and do my full process on each shot, I hands down play better and make more shots then I used to.
Click to expand...
 
Scott Lee said:
Tom...If we wanted to, we could fill up a 100 page thread with "resounding endorsements"...there were plenty in this thread alone (but that's something we don't care to, or have to do). BTW, Efren uses "the system", just like every pro on Earth. Every pro does "their" thing, the same way, every time, on every shot...that's one of the key things that make them a pro. "The System" is about teaching yourself how to figure out your "perfect process", and training yourself to be able to do it the same way every time, on every shot, without having to think about it. The length of time it takes, and the mental/emotional/physical committment it demands are different for each student...and yes, it's true that some students will GIVE UP because they aren't willing or can't stick with it long enough, to replace what they have used forever. The definition of insanity is doing the same old thing the same old way, and expecting a better result.

Scott Lee
Click to expand...
It appears that you are conflating "The" System as taught in Pool School with "a" system which everyone already has. And it seems a bit disingenuous to assert that Efren is actually using "The" Pool School system when he is not. The last time I checked, Efren had not attended anybody's school, nor does he adhere to the SPF method.

For the most part, Pool School is NOT intended to teach people how to play pool - rather, it is directed to teaching them how to LEARN how to play pool. And, as for the 100s of pages of resounding endorsements, how many of those would actually be characterized as "beginners" vs "touring pros"? This relates back to the statement about Pool School being significantly more beneficial for "beginners." It's not that everyone won't pick up something, it's that beginners will benefit more.

Again, I have no negative comments about Pool School at all. I think that lots of people can benefit from it. I am just presenting my perspective on the whole thing.

-td
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top