Darts vs Pool

Why not You?

"ESPN" is not in the business of choosing what games or sports to broadcast.

They may not care about pool, however they may not care about football either. The promoters make the difference, if there's nobody trying to broadcast pool, then it simply won't be broadcast.

The pool industry didn't pursue using ESPN because they thought they could do it a cheaper way.......so now we have "streaming web cams" with 600 watching instead of ESPN with millions.

Matt Braun (Billiards International) was the biggest promoter for pool on ESPN. If there would have been two others like Matt, pool would be on ESPN every week - same time, same day.
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I know that you know the game and that you have played on ESPN broadcast, You have a nice pool room and I played hundreds of times at you original room, you also started your own pro-league..,

Having said that why not go after ESPN yourself. There cant be anybody that really knows more about how to do it, right?
 
"ESPN" is not in the business of choosing what games or sports to broadcast.

They may not care about pool, however they may not care about football either. The promoters make the difference, if there's nobody trying to broadcast pool, then it simply won't be broadcast.

The pool industry didn't pursue using ESPN because they thought they could do it a cheaper way.......so now we have "streaming web cams" with 600 watching instead of ESPN with millions.

Matt Braun (Billiards International) was the biggest promoter for pool on ESPN. If there would have been two others like Matt, pool would be on ESPN every week - same time, same day.


Why do gamers (usually just broadcasting from home on Twitch) between them have 100's of thousands viewers at least every day total? It's going on for 24 hours live each and every day. Yet an occasional single stream of pool is very very lucky to have a couple hundred at most even if it's a tournament. Neither "sport" has much exposure on cable TV so streaming is where it has to be watched.
In other words the audience for even "League of Legends" gaming is vastly bigger than pool. There simply isn't a significant audience for pool or the streams wouldn't be peanut sized like they are. ESPN obviously sees these numbers. Pool fans can afford internet can't they?
 
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Watch a golf Tourny sometime on TV, if they were to just follow one specific player the whole time it would be boring as hell. So they swap back and forth to the different shot. ( and now over to the 3rd hole, moments ago on the the 8th, his last shot to get here...Ect. Ect.)

Now this is what needs to happen to pool to make it sellable to the masses. In my opinion this is the only way to make it marketable for TV. It would not the same as watching the entire match one shot at a time, and when you get to the finals, it would have to revert back to its current form.

Just food for thought, it would also allow more players to be seen and may spark some more interest from younger players as they would have more/ different people to watch.

Golf on TV is all about the great shots that brought the players to the top of the hill. Maybe it would work for pool also.

Tiger is on the Tee dog leg right 465 yrds he unleashes his driver trying to fade it around the corner he blocks it hits a tree kicks it into the rough leaving a blind shot in 6 in rough 215 yrds from the pin , he reaches in his bag pulls out a 4 iron takes a violet swing bends the ball around the corner flys over the flag hits the green and backs up to 6" from the hole as the announcers and fans go wild

Pool simply just not have anything close to what the general public would consider a equal feat , neither do I for that matter

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Tiger is on the Tee dog leg right 465 yrds he unleashes his driver trying to fade it around the corner he blocks it hits a tree kicks it into the rough leaving a blind shot in 6 in rough 215 yrds from the pin , he reaches in his bag pulls out a 4 iron takes a violet swing bends the ball around the corner flys over the flag hits the green and backs up to 6" from the hole as the announcers and fans go wild

Pool simply just not have anything close to what the general public would consider a equal feat , neither do I for that matter

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Closest thing would be a female bending over a bank shot . ESPN gave that one a shot, and even that didn't work that well
 
Another good point, every sport has its ups and downs. But would you rather watch the guy walking around the table trying to figure out what he is to do or would you like to see the three rail kick for shape on the next table over?

Just a thought.
 
"ESPN" is not in the business of choosing what games or sports to broadcast.

They may not care about pool, however they may not care about football either. The promoters make the difference, if there's nobody trying to broadcast pool, then it simply won't be broadcast...

You make a point CJ. I don't see the US Open on ESPN3 for example. AFAIK, the only events are the two I mentioned, both put on by Matchroom. Needless to say Barry Hearn knows how to produce a pool event and probably it's that production that is attractive to ESPN3 more than the just the fact it's pool.
 
When was the last time you heard about a dump at a major dart tournament?
How about chopping up the pot?
Savers?

There are plenty of strong personalities in darts, and with the exception of PT, most of the darters are liked by the fans.

Also, darters are broken into 2 categories electronic and steel tip. Pool is just called pool by the general public, they know nothing of 9 ball vs call shot 10 ball, one pocket, Straight, banks, etc. Snooker is just called snooker.
 
When was the last time you heard about a dump at a major dart tournament?
How about chopping up the pot?
Savers?

There are plenty of strong personalities in darts, and with the exception of PT, most of the darters are liked by the fans.

Also, darters are broken into 2 categories electronic and steel tip. Pool is just called pool by the general public, they know nothing of 9 ball vs call shot 10 ball, one pocket, Straight, banks, etc. Snooker is just called snooker.
The countries that darts are the biggest don't have to compeat with anything near what pool has to compeat with in USA ,,

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It's because online betting is legal in the UK. That's provides the marketing dollars to make tiddlywinks a pro sport.
 
When I was much younger and hanging around bars with both pool tables and dart boards, the "darters" tended to be the more athletic bunch, that's for absolutely sure.
 
I forgot about ESPN3, I did watch all of the Cup and the stream was great, Im just wondering way even that tournaments wasn't worthy of a live TV broadcast?

The web is one thing, TV is another, maybe the number of web viewers of the Mosconi Cup might get Pool some air time.

Consider the time change for one thing. But that's not the big reason. The bigger problem is each of those installments are 3+ hour affairs. No TV station or network is going to try to build an audience over time when they'd have to start out with 3 hour blocks of air time with no viewers. Yeah, you could maybe just televise the marquee match from each session to shorten it, but then you don't have any feel for the entire event. Again, they can do this with other sports (show only select matches), for example the World Cup of Soccer, but people tune in so there are ratings to be had.

I had mentioned earlier the problem of pool being match play versus golf where all the players are competing against each other. It got me thinking about a tournament held with a game like Fargo where everyone was competing against the field rather than against one opponent. Then if you had cameras on multiple tables there would be some relevance for cutting from player to player because what a player is doing on one table has meaning to what is going on on another table. There would be a leader board so the coverage could follow the play of the leaders. I'd be curious if this might make for more interesting television, particularly to the casual fan. For the benefit of the spectators in attendance the leaders would play on adjacent tables. Perhaps even better, leaders would be paired with each other taking turns playing racks. This would allow the leaders to see what their closest competitors were doing while they were playing and add to the drama.

Just trying to think outside the box. :grin-square:
 
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For added excitement and fan participation they could try "sharking encouraged" pool tournaments.:woot:
 
I attended-

I love to play both. I watched the finals of the PDC Championship between Michael van Gerwen and Peter Wright. It was an enjoyable match and the crowd was HUGE and LOUD. The players certainly did not mind. And the crowd certainly could not see the board and watched on the big screens.

What made me shake my head was after van Gerwen won, he received a check for 250,000 POUNDS. Holy crap! Why in the world can't pool have that kind of prize money for the players????

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Barry Hearn invited myself and Brandon Shuff.to attend his World Dart Championships
among those seated at our table besides Barry were 4 producers from
Britain's Got Talent and X Factor, the owner of 888.com and a brilliant coder whose focus was on analytic s for wagering and WPA head Ian Anderson.
We all marveled.

During the day I saw a man dressed as a banana, and wondered where he was off to.

He was off to darts where they don fancy dress(costumes) and are given a dry erase board to scrawl messages and be boisterous in hopes of being caught on camera for the folks back home.
He's doing Ping Pong too now....
Barry knows how to produce an event and he only gets involved in things he loves.

Of course I had my camera and filmed it ALL for "Raising the Hustler"!
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I'm including pictures from his BCA HOF induction during Mosconi XX
www.facebook.com/raisingthehustler
@raisingthehustl
#raisingthehustler
#pooldocumentary
#poolordie
 

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Watch a golf Tourny sometime on TV, if they were to just follow one specific player the whole time it would be boring as hell. So they swap back and forth to the different shot. ( and now over to the 3rd hole, moments ago on the the 8th, his last shot to get here...Ect. Ect.)...snip...

That's the best idea in years about promoting interest in watching pool. Switch to different matches, commenting on the match, the standings, the personalities or careers or recent wins. Or maybe comment about the drama of a shot choice, or a tough match, or even an obscure foul or ball placement ruling, like golf does when a guy is taking a drop in the rough.

fantasy commentators
Play-by-play: "and over on the one-loss side, Players A and B are fighting for their tournament life. B is one game ahead at 9-8 in this race to 11; now he has the choice of a difficult cut into the side or shooting for the corner pocket with a chance of a scratch and probable loss of the game. He could play a safety but he's the kind of player who shoots at the hole almost every time."

color comment: ".. and you know, Jim, that's exactly the choices that B had earlier in the year at Turningstone; many say he should have played safe, because his shot choice did not turn out well for him at all, not at all. He's taking an extension to think it over."

(silence while B shoots)

Play-by-play: "And B made the 7 in the corner, a fantastic shot that somehow forced the cue ball to nick the rail and avoid the potential scratch. Now he's in fine shape for the last two balls and the win!"

Color: "that will put him on the hill, breaking to win the match, and for the chance to stay in the tournament. Why don't you explain the road to the Hotseat for the fans?"

Play-by-play: "Yes, in a minute, but now we turn our attention to a controversial shot in another close match, this on the no-loss side between the top seed and a player who has given him all he could handle in past matches... and in today's match as well."
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The only thing is, current commentators focus too much on how they would play a shot, or a run, or a safety. They use the same words or phases ad nauseum, saying "reposition the cue ball" three or four times in the same sentence. They often argue with each other about tangential topics such as who remembers an ancient gambling story the best, thus losing all sense of the match in front of them.

Current commentators can't seem to remember how many games each player has won in the match they are watching, and argue among themselves about that. They talk and party so loud and so stupidly that they distract the actual players, then laugh about the fact they distracted and angered a player, and talk even louder about that players personal issues.

There are so few good commenters compared to the ancient crew of bad commenters who think it is party time at old home week, instead of a serious part of the fan's potential enjoyment of the matches.

Worst of all, several current commentators (and many players, backers, gamblers etc) have absolutely no respect for the fans. The fans maybe can't make three balls in a row, maybe never played for more than two dollars a game, but they are the ones who advertisers will reach out to, if pool is ever to come out of its doldrums.
 
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