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??? Never heard of this before. So to clarify, the DCC is a single elimination tourny, but each player can 'opt' to buy back into the one lose side. So if your on the one lose side and the loser from the winners side does not 'buyback', you get a bye, or two, or...?? seems like it would unbalance the one lose side. Is this the only tourney that does this? Why is this not more common, or is it? The more i think about it the more i like it. Maybe i can get a local tournament to try this. Could someone share some insight on the subject?
 
greenlight said:
??? Never heard of this before. So to clarify, the DCC is a single elimination tourny, but each player can 'opt' to buy back into the one lose side. So if your on the one lose side and the loser from the winners side does not 'buyback', you get a bye, or two, or...?? seems like it would unbalance the one lose side. Is this the only tourney that does this? Why is this not more common, or is it? The more i think about it the more i like it. Maybe i can get a local tournament to try this. Could someone share some insight on the subject?
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Never been before but I'm pretty sure they redraw brackets after every round. So, in theory, you could play the same player three rounds in a row.
 
greenlight said:
??? Never heard of this before. So to clarify, the DCC is a single elimination tourny, but each player can 'opt' to buy back into the one lose side. So if your on the one lose side and the loser from the winners side does not 'buyback', you get a bye, or two, or...?? seems like it would unbalance the one lose side. Is this the only tourney that does this? Why is this not more common, or is it? The more i think about it the more i like it. Maybe i can get a local tournament to try this. Could someone share some insight on the subject?
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There are no brackets at the DCC, they just redraw every round, players with no losses can draw players with one loss. So there's no unbalancing of losers and winners.
 
I posted this yesterday in the DCC forum.

UrackmIcrackm said:
derbycityclassic.com will redirect you to dcctickets.com. Not a big deal but for those that are lazy like myself, I prefer to type less. ;)

Derby is a single elimination tournament with a "buy back" option making it a possible double elimination tournament. If you lose and you want to continue playing in the tournament, you can "buy back" into the tournament and your name will be entered into the next drawing. If you opt out of the buy back then your name is taken out. You can only buy back one time (for each discipline).

Because there is a re-draw for every round no one is playing the winner or loser of a particular match. If you buy back after your loss it is very possible that you could end up playing the same person that just defeated you.

Because every round is new and not everyone buys back, it is impossible to use brackets for the DCC.
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I think it is the second best format. While a "Round Robin" would be the ultimate, there are too many players to be practical.

There are several upsides on this format;

1. No seeding (Ever wonder why the WPBA always has the same players in finals?)
2. No getting an "easy" bracket. I have seen some tourneyments where all the best players are in the same bracket, and nobodies in another bracket. While luck of the draw obviously helps (TROY FRANK getting 2 or 3 consective byes the year he won the 9 ball championship)
3. Several players only play in tournament to get admission to watch. For those who have no chance, then they can opt not to buy back.

JMO

Ken
 
Hope somebody can help me on that system, too.

Lets say in the first round are 200 players - do they then play 100 matches our use a 256 bracket and get bye´s :confused:

If they have the 100 matches, what if only 50 BUY BACK :confused:
Do we then have a "second round" with 50 Bye´s or let they play some Winners agaings Winners and some Winner agains Losers and make 75 matches :confused:

If they use the 256 bracket then it will be more complicated i think, but does anybody know it ecaxtly :confused:

Hope you can help,
Erich
 
mair23 said:
Hope somebody can help me on that system, too.

Lets say in the first round are 200 players - do they then play 100 matches our use a 256 bracket and get bye´s :confused:

If they have the 100 matches, what if only 50 BUY BACK :confused:
Do we then have a "second round" with 50 Bye´s or let they play some Winners agaings Winners and some Winner agains Losers and make 75 matches :confused:

If they use the 256 bracket then it will be more complicated i think, but does anybody know it ecaxtly :confused:

Hope you can help,
Erich
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If I understand it correctly:

Round 1: 200 enter, a random draw occurs and they play 100 matches.

Round 2: Of the 100 losers, say 50 buy back. Those 50 plus the 100 winners gives you 150. They do a random draw and play 75 matches.

Etc.

Is that right?
 
mair23 said:
Hope somebody can help me on that system, too.

Lets say in the first round are 200 players - do they then play 100 matches our use a 256 bracket and get bye´s :confused:

If they have the 100 matches, what if only 50 BUY BACK :confused:
Do we then have a "second round" with 50 Bye´s or let they play some Winners agaings Winners and some Winner agains Losers and make 75 matches :confused:

If they use the 256 bracket then it will be more complicated i think, but does anybody know it ecaxtly :confused:

Hope you can help,

Erich
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They don't use a bracket. Ever. (I think this where people get confused)

If they have 200 people they draw for 100 matches for the first round.

The first round is going to have a 100 people with a loss. (If only 50 people buy back, the 2nd round is going to have 150 players. 100 winners plus 50 buy backs)

Once the first round is complete, they do a re-draw for the 2nd round. (Players have to buy back before the next round starts, they can't wait until later).

The 2nd round is going to have 75 winners and 75 losses. If a player bought back after the 1st round and they lost in the 2nd round, they're done. You can only buy back one time.

The rounds continue until there is a winner.

EDIT: I hope I was able to catch my mistake before anyone read it and was confused even more.
 
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UrackmIcrackm said:
They don't use a bracket. Ever. (I think this where people get confused)

If they have 200 people they draw for 100 matches for the first round.

The first round is going to have a 100 people with a loss. (If only 50 people buy back, the 2nd round is going to have 150 players. 100 winners plus 50 buy backs)

Once the first round is complete, they do a re-draw for the 2nd round. (Players have to buy back before the next round starts, they can't wait until later).

The 2nd round is going to have 75 winners and 75 losses. If a player bought back after the 1st round and they lost in the 2nd round, they're done. You can only buy back one time.

EDIT: I hope I was able to catch my mistake before anyone read it and was confused even more.
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Great explanation - thanks and rep to you, but there is one small thing left !?
2nd Round : 100 Winners and 50 Losers (Buy Backs) - do they realy a complete random draw now.
That would meand there could be 50 winner against 50 winners and 25 losers against 25 losers - realy that way :confused:
Or do they draw the 50 losers from the first round to 50 winners first, and then draw 25 winners to 25 winners :confused:

Thanks in advance for your help again,
Erich
 
mair23 said:
Great explanation - thanks and rep to you, but there is one small thing left !?
2nd Round : 100 Winners and 50 Losers (Buy Backs) - do they realy a complete random draw now.
That would meand there could be 50 winner against 50 winners and 25 losers against 25 losers - realy that way :confused:
Or do they draw the 50 losers from the first round to 50 winners first, and then draw 25 winners to 25 winners :confused:

Thanks in advance for your help again,
Erich
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You are correct, it is a totally random draw every round. They have had a finals match where both players were unbeaten going into the finals. Both players have a buy back option in the finals.

If player A loses then he buys back to play again
If player A loses again, the finals are over.

If player B loses the 2nd game, he buys back again and whoever loses the next set comes in 2nd place because neither player has a buy back left.

The 1p matches are a race to 3. The finals could be anything from one race to 3 to three races to 3. Depends if a player has a buy back and if he wins or loses.
 
Random Draw

Sometimes odd things happen here. One year I am unsure of the player (I think either Ralf or Bustamante) when it was down to the final three the guy drew the buy two or three times in a row.
 
The more i understand this format the more i like it. only one person has a chance at a bye per round vs. the bracket system where sometimes more than half the field gets byes. It also increases the prize pool quite a bit with all the buybacks. I guess the only other question i have is why dont people use this format more often.
 
iba7467 said:
Sometimes odd things happen here. One year I am unsure of the player (I think either Ralf or Bustamante) when it was down to the final three the guy drew the buy two or three times in a row.
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I guess this system isn't flawless after all.
 
Last year Henny drew Mika and lost from the hill after scrathching on the break. Henny was the last player with a buyback left. He redrew Mika the next round and beat him on the TV table.

It's cheaper to play 9 ball ($160) than purchasing a pass($185) for the whole tourny. I wish I could be off for the whole week. Maybe one year.
 
greenlight said:
I guess this system isn't flawless after all.
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I realy think its a great idea to run a tournament, but it´s far away from being flawless.
Many players i know like to know when there next match is coming up - not realy possible with that system.
The tournament director have to wait until each round is finished, then have to wait even longer because of the buybacks,
and after all that they have to draw the next round. All that after each round, you know.
If there are only about 50 to 100 players i would say it sounds great, but with that much players - wow.
Not even close to flawless, but still awesome and fantastic for sure :grin-square:
Erich
 
As long as the drawings are done out in the open with people watching i don't see any problem . Any tournament that can produce the number of players that DCC does should be applauded and emulated .
 
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