DCC - Louie Roberts Action & Entertainment Award 2014

[Ken_4fun]

Maybe SAJ should have gotten the award that year! She also quit a set half way through against Richie Richeson that she THOUGHT was a lock.

I know I bet on several of her matches including that one!! They were supposed to play it out and not pro-rate but guess what!!!

They saved themselves some money when she quit!! They pro-rated!!

All her matches were drama filled Diva type stuff...not my cup of tea for sure as I'm not star struck in the least!

edit to Add: I voted for Jason Kirkus for this award this year. He staked some big games! I know the award is meant to be a player but the stakehorse deserves credit to for making these games happen!!

Also (and no offense to anyone) I will get flamed for this but this is just my opinion. The award has seen a drop in player pedigree since moving to the casino. TOP pros used to be in the running for award but it's more second tier now. There are simply too many events for the PROS to compete in leaving no time to gamble. While the addition of the Bigfoot has been popular with many, it's diluting the gambling among the elite!!!! And this is something I feared would happen from the beginning. The up and comers are the ones who are gambling more than anyone.



Gary

Gary -

I enjoyed your post.

Thanks for posting it as it made me think.

I agreed with it, as much as I know.

Years ago, I used to see Weenie Beenie match up without the woofest, and play and pay after each game discretely in a pocket. I watched him and thought he was a classy gambler.

But today, it seems that the best thing to do is create drama, put on woofest show, seldom play and when it is a true gamble quit and prorate.

Weenie Beenie would never win the Louie Roberts Award, with today’s criteria, he gambled with too much class, and never wanted to pay with quarters.

Ken

 

[rezin8]

This is very spot on. I don't understand how it was allowed that they locked the room and had private action. I would have loved to watch Bart and Josh Roberts playing. Seems a little ridiculous that I went to DCC and paid thousands to attend, and the only way to see something happening 5 feet from me was to buy wifi from the hotel and pay to watch pay per view. If I were Greg, I would not have allowed Ray to do so as it goes against the spirit of the derby.

It wasn't Ray that did it, it was Josh and Chris. Ray wanted the action to be on the stream, but the players didn't want all kinds of people going in and out of the room. They were going to play in another room that was quieter, but Ray really wanted to stream that set. Josh said the only way he would play the set was if they locked the doors and Ray went with it. So, to say that it was Ray's fault really isn't entirely true. I know this because I was there when it all went down and heard it first hand.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

She also quit a set half way through against Richie Richeson that she THOUGHT was a lock.

I know I bet on several of her matches including that one!! They were supposed to play it out and not pro-rate but guess what!!!

They saved themselves some money when she quit!! They pro-rated!!

Gary

Yes you have cried about it now every year since we know. She was pregnant throwing up and not herself. Richie being the gentleman he is was called in the hallway for a conference and he agreed to pro-rate and play again at later date. They played again and she beat him. Do you remember that part? When you make a bet on the side you know all the risks involved.

 

[B_White]

I had a lot of my own money at risk. More than any of the other contestants I assure you. Of that 35,000 set half was mine.

 

[B_White]

Thank you Randy. And thanks to the others for your support.

 

[nb92]

To go further with this post, the whole idea of the Action & Entertainment award is to reward entertaining action in hopes that it leads to further attendance by action makers (player, backers, etc.) as well as action railbirds , sweaters, and bettors. Greg Sullivan wants to embrace, highlight, encourage, and showcase just how fun and entertaining action can be.

Having action to entertain only the stream was not the original intent of the award. Greg wants people to come to the event. He wants a continued word of mouth from those that got entertained to spread the word. The streams are great, don't get me wrong. They give people who can't attend a great look at the DCC. But stream viewers can't vote.

Quiet action that people at the DCC can't watch and get entertained goes against the award.

No not really and you might mention this to Greg... seeing the action on the stream might make those that do not attend want to attend... getting the word out even more than word of mouth ... as a picture is worth a 1000 words... but you are pretty set in your ways so please give it to the friend of the friends...

 

[know it all]

Action Award

Breaking news..............Brian(gentleman)White and Jason(the sock)Kerkas is a dead heat!!!!!!!!!!! Just Kidding.Can't see anyone but them winning it. Rich aka the skunk.

 

[Cornerman]

No not really and you might mention this to Greg... seeing the action on the stream might make those that do not attend want to attend... getting the word out even more than word of mouth ... as a picture is worth a 1000 words... but you are pretty set in your ways so please give it to the friend of the friends...

The stream absolutely helps to get people to want to attend. No question.

But the award itself was setup (by Greg, not by me) as for entertainment in action award and voted on by attendees. Period. The inference for any favoritism is as always way off base. I facilitate the voting and keep a structured process. I don't even vote anymore.

But, if it helps you sleep at night, carry on.

 

[Ky Boy]

Yes you have cried about it now every year since we know. She was pregnant throwing up and not herself. Richie being the gentleman he is was called in the hallway for a conference and he agreed to pro-rate and play again at later date. They played again and she beat him. Do you remember that part? When you make a bet on the side you know all the risks involved.

Call it what you want!! I didn't know she was prego but that she was arguing with SAJ during that match over him telling her how to shoot a shot!! She turned to him and told him if he didn't hush she would quit!!! And she did!!

So, I guess the argument was a smoke screen, huh? For her sickness?

I know George told me they WOULD play the set out and that is not what happened!

And NO I didn't know they played again or I would have bet against her again!!

And yeah, I realize the risks! That's why I don't bet on many matches anymore...some don't follow through on what they say!

Good day to you!!


Gary

 

[nb92]

The stream absolutely helps to get people to want to attend. No question.

But the award itself was setup (by Greg, not by me) as for entertainment in action award and voted on by attendees. Period. The inference for any favoritism is as always way off base. I facilitate the voting and keep a structured process. I don't even vote anymore.

But, if it helps you sleep at night, carry on.

Thanks,

Neal <<<<<<<<<< sleeping well with Freddie's permission

 

[B_White]

Look, I'm a fairly quite person. I don't get in the action room and hoop and holler and try to draw attention to myself. I just get in action. If entertainment is getting up there and parading in front of everyone I guess I'm in trouble. For the record J Lee is quite also and she won it.

 

[nb92]

Look, I'm a fairly quite person. I don't get in the action room and hoop and holler and try to draw attention to myself. I just get in action. If entertainment is getting up there and parading in front of everyone I guess I'm in trouble. For the record J Lee is quite also and she won it.

Fairly quite unless Clemson >>> is driving for a win LOL

 

[Cornerman]

Look, I'm a fairly quite person. I don't get in the action room and hoop and holler and try to draw attention to myself. I just get in action. If entertainment is getting up there and parading in front of everyone I guess I'm in trouble. For the record J Lee is quite also and she won it.

You hit this on the head, Brian. All of this discussion of loudness and woofing is not criteria for the voters. Chris Bartram, Chris Gentile, Shane Van Boening... all very quiet winners. Cliff Joyner was super quiet during his winning year.

Louder guys include Alex, Tony, Scooter, maybe Viffer.

It should be obvious that loudness isn't a requirement nor a detriment. It's as I've said a zillion times: It's up to the voter to determine and vote on what entertains them.

 

[JB Cases]

For entertainment - I want to see another pool player's round table with pool stories. I will bet the farm on Mary Kenniston giving up the six out that she can tell a better story and have the audience ROLLING on the floor more than ANYONE else present.

As for action - where's my votes ;-)

I promise if I ever win the lottery then the award is mine. I will be guy who walks in with a bodyguard and a JB Case full of cash. And some serious weight will be gotten - I am after all just a case maker.

Don't be hard on Freddie - he just tallies the votes people. He doesn't make the rules and the rules have served us well - be happy that there IS such an award and for the vision of Greg Sullivan to come up with it. Louie is surely looking on thinking he would have been a lock every year.

 

[THE PICK]

I did not dream that commenting on J. Lee winning would cause all thes comments. I still think she should have not won and if she was sick and going to have baby she should have been at home.

 

[Ken_4fun]

I did not dream that commenting on J. Lee winning would cause all thes comments. I still think she should have not won and if she was sick and going to have baby she should have been at home.

And under no circumstances do you buy her in a calcutta....

Ken

 

[1on1pooltournys]

I did not dream that commenting on J. Lee winning would cause all thes comments. I still think she should have not won and if she was sick and going to have baby she should have been at home.

She figured out she was pregnant with about 3 days left of the DCC that year.

 

[JB Cases]

I did not dream that commenting on J. Lee winning would cause all thes comments. I still think she should have not won and if she was sick and going to have baby she should have been at home.

It's action and entertainment. The ONLY people who get to vote are the people who were there. So Jeanette wasn't awarded it by anyone other than the people who were involved in the action scene, her peers. Those who watched it on stream didn't get to vote.

And telling an expectant mother what she should have done is just wrong. Pregnancy sickness happens when it happens it happens and you have to deal with it then.

As has been mentioned a zillion times the award has two components, action and entertainment. It doesn't matter if you play million dollar sets if no one knows or is entertained by it. It doesn't matter if you are playing $100 sets if you have the whole room entertained and rolling on the floor.

Whoever combines those two things the best will get the votes from those who were there. The year Jeanette won, she won because she got the votes, and those votes didn't come from starstruck fans because the tuesday-night-league-player fan doesn't hang out in the action room from what I saw. Just about everyone there was involved in the action somehow based on my limited observation.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

It's action and entertainment. The ONLY people who get to vote are the people who were there. So Jeanette wasn't awarded it by anyone other than the people who were involved in the action scene, her peers. Those who watched it on stream didn't get to vote.

And telling an expectant mother what she should have done is just wrong. Pregnancy sickness happens when it happens it happens and you have to deal with it then.

As has been mentioned a zillion times the award has two components, action and entertainment. It doesn't matter if you play million dollar sets if no one knows or is entertained by it. It doesn't matter if you are playing $100 sets if you have the whole room entertained and rolling on the floor.

Whoever combines those two things the best will get the votes from those who were there. The year Jeanette won, she won because she got the votes, and those votes didn't come from starstruck fans because the tuesday-night-league-player fan doesn't hang out in the action room from what I saw. Just about everyone there was involved in the action somehow based on my limited observation.

Awww...enlightenment :thumbup:

 

[Ky Boy]

It's action and entertainment. The ONLY people who get to vote are the people who were there. So Jeanette wasn't awarded it by anyone other than the people who were involved in the action scene, her peers. Those who watched it on stream didn't get to vote.

And telling an expectant mother what she should have done is just wrong. Pregnancy sickness happens when it happens it happens and you have to deal with it then.

As has been mentioned a zillion times the award has two components, action and entertainment. It doesn't matter if you play million dollar sets if no one knows or is entertained by it. It doesn't matter if you are playing $100 sets if you have the whole room entertained and rolling on the floor.

Whoever combines those two things the best will get the votes from those who were there. The year Jeanette won, she won because she got the votes, and those votes didn't come from starstruck fans because the tuesday-night-league-player fan doesn't hang out in the action room from what I saw. Just about everyone there was involved in the action somehow based on my limited observation.

Hey JB,

It was nice meeting you at Derby!

To clarify, I don't fault JL for quitting the set for being sick. I am not an unreasonable guy as I'm sure those who know will certainly attest. However, this is the first time I have seen this info as to why she quit. If that is indeed the case then I completely understand!

But, I was there and saw the arguing with SAJ. Anyone who saw that would think it was a ploy to remove themselves from a match!

Gary