Death of the Pool Hall

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Perhaps the image of the smoky pool hall filled with shady characters trying to hustle one another never was that accurate.

It did make for good movies -- see "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" -- which in turn was good for business in local pool halls that in many cases provided cheap family entertainment.

But then public smoking bans took effect, gas prices went up, and high-quality video game systems kept would-be players at home. As a result, the number of pool players is down, and the pool halls they once frequented are becoming fewer and far between.


The above-referenced article, entitled Behind the 8-Ball, hit the nail on the head. A few pool room owners give their thoughts on the dying pool room era in Sioux City. It's amazing to read that, considering this is Shane's home turf. If I had a pool room in that area, I'd be capitalizing on that. Shane would be in every parade, every marketing opportunity available: South Dakota Kid Becomes Champion of the World.

According Larry Perra, owner of Corner Pocket, Gary Beebe who owns Carom House, and the Gearys (Ken and Diane) who recently closed Bank Shot Billiards in Sioux City, pool just isn't a money-making business anymore.

"To have a business dedicated just to pool isn't as feasible," said Shane Tyree, membership and communication manager of the Billiard Congress of America in Broomfield, Colorado.

Some areas of the country, especially in the southeast, are seeing pool halls disappearing. Pool is holding steady in the Midwest.

"I wouldn't necessarily say it's disappearing. It's more in the background," Tyree said.

That's kind of the nature of the game, Beebe said. He's seen pool halls come and go, but many small-town bars still have pool tables and leagues.

"It's cyclical, but people always come back to pool," Beebe said. "Pool will always come back."


Well, well, well, I guess BCA's Tyree's remarks won't be popular to the BCA's industry members. I tend to want to believe Gary Beebe.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's the pool leagues today that are keeping American pool afloat. Would a movie be the boon to pool in 2012 that it was in 1986 when TCOM came out? I'm not so sure. I think it is going to take a bigger media blitzkrieg to put pool back on the map. Gone are the days of Willie vs. Fats on ESPN and the road warrior days of Fast Eddie Nelson.

The definition of American pool in the 21st century is up for grabs, and if I have my say about it, I will figure out a way to get pool back on the map in the United States. Stay tuned, as the best is yet to come. :cool:

Ken and Diane Geary play pool at Bank Shot Billiards in downtown Sioux City in August. The pool hall closed this summer.
 

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Man, don't they have any heat in them there pool rooms in Sioux City? This chick looks like she's freezing, playing pool with her coat on. :embarrassed2:

Summer McIntyre, of Sioux City, plays pool at the Corner Pocket in Sioux City on Thursday. Pool halls have been struggling for business in an age of videogames and smoking bans.
 

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Oh, man, is this kid playing with a metal cue? I used to play with metal cues in my neighborhood tavern back in the day. If you could find one with a good tip, you were lucky. One thing about 'em, they don't warp! :grin:

Jacob Paulson lines up a shot at the Corner Pocket in Sioux City on Thursday. It's one of the few pool halls left in the region.
 

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Kasandra Deeds, of Anthon, Iowa, on Thursday takes a shot at Corner Pocket, one of the few pool halls left in Sioux City. "To have a business dedicated just to pool isn't as feasible," said Shane Tyree, of the Billiard Congress of America.

I wonder if this "Shane Tyree" is popular with the BCA, sharing these thoughts. :eek: It sure doesn't sound like she's promoting pool. Isn't that what the BCA should be doing? Oh, damn, I digress again. :embarrassed2:

Here's one of the few pool rooms left in Sioux City, the Corner Pocket. Hey, it looks a heck of a lot better than anything we have in the DC area. We have nothing, nothing, nothing, except sports bars and singles clubs, if you will. The pool hall era is dead in DC, died a long time ago.
 

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A movie about pool would work today, but the kind that you're thinking of.

A movie about a team trying to get to nationals in a league scenario, with Will Ferrall, or Ben Stiller and the like, kinda like Dodgeball, that kind of movie would work.

Then we would hear the AZB denizens howl.... :p

But it would work....
 
A movie about pool would work today, but the kind that you're thinking of.

A movie about a team trying to get to nationals in a league scenario, with Will Ferrall, or Ben Stiller and the like, kinda like Dodgeball, that kind of movie would work.

Then we would hear the AZB denizens howl.... :p

But it would work....

A comedy, huh? It might work. I like "The Fockers" with Ben Stiller for sure.
 
A comedy, huh? It might work. I like "The Fockers" with Ben Stiller for sure.

With those guys, and the way they make their movies, it would be a hit.

Pool wouldn't be represented the way folks here would like, though... :rolleyes:
 
With those guys, and the way they make their movies, it would be a hit.

Pool wouldn't be represented the way folks here would like, though... :rolleyes:

I'm kind of hoping that a movie like "Rounders" to poker would come to the fore. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck would be marvelous. In particular, I'd love to have Steve Buscemi, but he's busy with "Boardwalk Empire right now." Ed Norton would be great. Believe me, I've got the screenplay in my head right now at the time of this writing. :grin-square:
 
We have nothing, nothing, nothing, except sports bars and singles clubs, if you will. The pool hall era is dead in DC, died a long time ago.

I live in a two-college town and I think the best bet for us to get anything approximating a pool hall is for someone to do something like the Eastlake Zoo in Seattle. It's a bar with pool tables, dartboards and a shuffle board.

Unfortunately, a buddy has been looking at available commercial space. Everything is prohibitively expensive and the building owners have zero motivation to negotiate. They'd just as soon leave the space empty and claim the losses on their taxes. Good for them, bad for the town.
 
I am 66 and since I was a boy,I have seen pool go up and down since the 50s.First the Movie the Hustler in 1961 gave it a good shot and every one and there mother wanted to play and pool rooms were like mushrooms poping up all over the place,then by the 70s, it was petering out till color of money,which I thought was a lousy flick compared to The Hustler,but it did give pool a shot in the arm again.It would be nice to see another great movie like the Hustler,and would be good for the game,since Hollywood generates monkey see monkey do and of course every one is inspired.I dont think Pool will ever die,cause its a fantastic game,but do believe it has to be promoted in a good light as not to look sleazy,As i think its a classy sport.Just my two cents.
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Perhaps the image of the smoky pool hall filled with shady characters trying to hustle one another never was that accurate.

It did make for good movies -- see "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" -- which in turn was good for business in local pool halls that in many cases provided cheap family entertainment.

But then public smoking bans took effect, gas prices went up, and high-quality video game systems kept would-be players at home. As a result, the number of pool players is down, and the pool halls they once frequented are becoming fewer and far between.


The above-referenced article, entitled Behind the 8-Ball, hit the nail on the head. A few pool room owners give their thoughts on the dying pool room era in Sioux City. It's amazing to read that, considering this is Shane's home turf. If I had a pool room in that area, I'd be capitalizing on that. Shane would be in every parade, every marketing opportunity available: South Dakota Kid Becomes Champion of the World.

According Larry Perra, owner of Corner Pocket, Gary Beebe who owns Carom House, and the Gearys (Ken and Diane) who recently closed Bank Shot Billiards in Sioux City, pool just isn't a money-making business anymore.

"To have a business dedicated just to pool isn't as feasible," said Shane Tyree, membership and communication manager of the Billiard Congress of America in Broomfield, Colorado.

Some areas of the country, especially in the southeast, are seeing pool halls disappearing. Pool is holding steady in the Midwest.

"I wouldn't necessarily say it's disappearing. It's more in the background," Tyree said.

That's kind of the nature of the game, Beebe said. He's seen pool halls come and go, but many small-town bars still have pool tables and leagues.

"It's cyclical, but people always come back to pool," Beebe said. "Pool will always come back."


Well, well, well, I guess BCA's Tyree's remarks won't be popular to the BCA's industry members. I tend to want to believe Gary Beebe.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's the pool leagues today that are keeping American pool afloat. Would a movie be the boon to pool in 2012 that it was in 1986 when TCOM came out? I'm not so sure. I think it is going to take a bigger media blitzkrieg to put pool back on the map. Gone are the days of Willie vs. Fats on ESPN and the road warrior days of Fast Eddie Nelson.

The definition of American pool in the 21st century is up for grabs, and if I have my say about it, I will figure out a way to get pool back on the map in the United States. Stay tuned, as the best is yet to come. :cool:

Ken and Diane Geary play pool at Bank Shot Billiards in downtown Sioux City in August. The pool hall closed this summer.

I never thought I would say this, but maybe it's time for a movie about League Players/League play. Possibly about the competition, or perhaps about the friendships that are developed as a result of playing in the leagues or the fun that spouses have playing pool together in leagues either together or separately.

I know there are a lot of top playing league players out there but I don't think the story is about them. It's about the casual league player who finds the night out a brief respite from the world's never-ending, unrelenting toil.

If League play is keeping pool afloat (and it might very well be doing so) then I would welcome any broadening that might be considered.
 
A movie about pool would work today, but the kind that you're thinking of.

A movie about a team trying to get to nationals in a league scenario, with Will Ferrall, or Ben Stiller and the like, kinda like Dodgeball, that kind of movie would work.

Then we would hear the AZB denizens howl.... :p

But it would work....

My apologies for making a similar post. I didn't read your post until after I responded to Jennie's first post.
 
Why do some remain successful? I have been in Snookers a few times and that place is almost too busy.

That's an easy answer. It's because there's several dozen colleges and universities within a 20-mile radius of Snooker's. :wink:

Young adults need a place to go out and hang, and Snooker's offers a cool place to go for this age group. :cool:
 
I never thought I would say this, but maybe it's time for a movie about League Players/League play. Possibly about the competition, or perhaps about the friendships that are developed as a result of playing in the leagues or the fun that spouses have playing pool together in leagues either together or separately.

I know there are a lot of top playing league players out there but I don't think the story is about them. It's about the casual league player who finds the night out a brief respite from the world's never-ending, unrelenting toil.

If League play is keeping pool afloat (and it might very well be doing so) then I would welcome any broadening that might be considered.

I agree with this thread wholeheartedly. I play on a team and it a very diverse group. We have a multi millionaire, an almost broke pool hustler, a super sweet and attractive gal, a retired contractor (me) one semi illegal alien ( we like him either way) and a couple other off the wall characters. All in all we have a ball together and are respectful of all our competitors and of each other. I look forward to every Thursday night league because we have fun, play hard and are competing at a game we all like to play. Leagues are about the only thing keeping pool halls open. They make money the night of the league and also when we go in to play and practice together. I hope that the efforts of Jim Murnak will be noticed by someone in the film industry and perhaps it may help pool halls to survive and prosper. Just my 2 cents...
 
I never thought I would say this, but maybe it's time for a movie about League Players/League play. Possibly about the competition, or perhaps about the friendships that are developed as a result of playing in the leagues or the fun that spouses have playing pool together in leagues either together or separately.

I know there are a lot of top playing league players out there but I don't think the story is about them. It's about the casual league player who finds the night out a brief respite from the world's never-ending, unrelenting toil.

If League play is keeping pool afloat (and it might very well be doing so) then I would welcome any broadening that might be considered.

Holy shit, Joey. Are you burning one again?
 
I never thought I would say this, but maybe it's time for a movie about League Players/League play. Possibly about the competition, or perhaps about the friendships that are developed as a result of playing in the leagues or the fun that spouses have playing pool together in leagues either together or separately.

I know there are a lot of top playing league players out there but I don't think the story is about them. It's about the casual league player who finds the night out a brief respite from the world's never-ending, unrelenting toil.

If League play is keeping pool afloat (and it might very well be doing so) then I would welcome any broadening that might be considered.
The novel, Sweet, by Heather Byer would fill the bill perfectly for a pool movie. It's extremely well written. About a 30 year old business woman in New York City who becomes intrigued with pool in the same way many of us did. She gradually takes up the game and plays in APA leagues, where she encounters a number of fascinating people. It's not about top flight pool or hustling, but many of us can identify with it.
 
The novel, Sweet, by Heather Byer would fill the bill perfectly for a pool movie. It's extremely well written. About a 30 year old business woman in New York City who becomes intrigued with pool in the same way many of us did. She gradually takes up the game and plays in APA leagues, where she encounters a number of fascinating people. It's not about top flight pool or hustling, but many of us can identify with it.
See customer reviews of the novel, Sweet, on Amazon
 
In my opinion, the smoking bans didn't cause the downfall of the pool hall. The Color of Money came out in 1986. So what happened between then and say 2009 when smoking bans became the rage? I know incredibly good shooters that only shoot on league night. A person of reasonable intelligence will look at how they are spending their time and then determine if their time has a positive expected value to their own lives. As we all know, pool has very little positive expected value and thus is widely a recreational activity...which is not enough to sustain your average pool hall.
 
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