Deep Cold Water Maple Shafts

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Understand there are some Super Hard Maple Shaft BLANKS were the wood was Treated by Sinking Long in Lake michigan, or something about 100 years ago. Now I have heard some Cuemakes are making Shafts out of this Old Cold Water Wood. what the Scoop, and what is so good about this Old Cold Water Treated Maple?
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Understand there are some Super Hard Maple Shaft BLANKS were the wood was Treated by Sinking Long in Lake michigan, or something about 100 years ago. Now I have heard some Cuemakes are making Shafts out of this Old Cold Water Wood. what the Scoop, and what is so good about this Old Cold Water Treated Maple?

Well it's got a cool name and gives you something to brag to your friends about :rolleyes:
:p
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Understand there are some Super Hard Maple Shaft BLANKS were the wood was Treated by Sinking Long in Lake michigan, or something about 100 years ago. Now I have heard some Cuemakes are making Shafts out of this Old Cold Water Wood. what the Scoop, and what is so good about this Old Cold Water Treated Maple?
The cold water just preserved the wood it didn't make it any better. What is better about the wood is that it came from old natural forrests so the trees had more growth rings making the wood more stable.... todays wood come from huge companies that raise forrests too fast and harvest them too soon to make more profit faster, and what you get from that is growth rings that are too lagre and not as stable. The biggest problem is it will most likley cost you about $800 fo a shaft because that wood costs BOO-COO bucks
 
Heck, Don, virgin anything is hard to find ;) . I had a shaft made from this wood and it was pretty nice. For the most part it's the same type of feel that the old cues had before someone decided whiter is better. I beleive the shaft was priced about the same as a Predator shaft. It did seem somewhat heavier and more dense. I have a shaft from a C series McDermott that I liked better so I don't have the underwater shaft anymore. Getting these logs was a big specialty business when I lived in Minnesota 10 years ago.

Andy
 
EL'nino said:
The biggest problem is it will most likley cost you about $800 fo a shaft because that wood costs BOO-COO bucks


OUCH! Sounds to me that if you're married...buying a cold water shaft is going to get you into HOT WATER reeeeal fast. :eek:
 
drivermaker said:
OUCH! Sounds to me that if you're married...buying a cold water shaft is going to get you into HOT WATER reeeeal fast. :eek:
The $800 figure was just out of the air but I know that wood is big dough
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Virgin timber is hard to find these days.
Check it out. http://www.timelesstimber.com/default.asp
Purdman :cool:
I got some from them.
They are clueless in cutting wood for qmakers.
They can't follow the grain.
I think these old-growth shafts are way overrated.
Sure, they stay stable and are heavy and hard but I find them to have too much deflection b/c of the weight and stiffness.
 
Sure, they stay stable and are heavy and hard but I find it to have too much deflection b/c of the weight and stiffness.

My wife said the same thing about me ten years ago!!!! :D
Purdman
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Understand there are some Super Hard Maple Shaft BLANKS were the wood was Treated by Sinking Long in Lake michigan, or something about 100 years ago. Now I have heard some Cuemakes are making Shafts out of this Old Cold Water Wood. what the Scoop, and what is so good about this Old Cold Water Treated Maple?

I saw a program on TV about 10-12 years ago describing a ship loaded with logs sinking in the lake in the late 1800's. The program was about the salvage efforts. The logs were extremely tight grained maple and in excellent condition. The salvager made a ton of money selling the logs. According to the program, it wasn't so much the cold water treatment over a century that made the logs so valuable but rather the tightness of the grain. I have heard since then of cuemakers making shafts from this wood.


Lunchmoney
 
What It Is!!!!!

lunchmoney said:
I saw a program on TV about 10-12 years ago describing a ship loaded with logs sinking in the lake in the late 1800's. The program was about the salvage efforts. The logs were extremely tight grained maple and in excellent condition. The salvager made a ton of money selling the logs. According to the program, it wasn't so much the cold water treatment over a century that made the logs so valuable but rather the tightness of the grain. I have heard since then of cuemakers making shafts from this wood.


Here is some more information for ya lunchmoney. It is a pretty cool site.
Purdman

In the 1800's logging mills dotted the shorelines of lakes and rivers that were adjacent to the majestic forests of North America. Thousands of rugged lumberjacks felled millions of virgin trees that were previously untouched by man. These logs were tied into rafts and floated to the lumber mills for processing. Most of the lumber was used for building the great cities of the Industrial Revolution, except the logs that were lost before reaching their destination. These logs also known as 'sinkers', became waterlogged in transit and in their subsequent holding ponds and settled to the bottom. Forgotten, these sunken timbers have remained at the bottoms of lakes and rivers for over a century, untouched and perfectly preserved in the icy cold waters of the North. It wasn't until the 1990's when Timeless Timber discovered these lost 'sinkers' and devised methods for the recovery and state-of-the-art kiln drying of these irreplaceable woods.
 
Here is some more information for ya lunchmoney. It is a pretty cool site.
Purdman

In the 1800's logging mills dotted the shorelines of lakes and rivers that were adjacent to the majestic forests of North America. Thousands of rugged lumberjacks felled millions of virgin trees that were previously untouched by man. These logs were tied into rafts and floated to the lumber mills for processing. Most of the lumber was used for building the great cities of the Industrial Revolution, except the logs that were lost before reaching their destination. These logs also known as 'sinkers', became waterlogged in transit and in their subsequent holding ponds and settled to the bottom. Forgotten, these sunken timbers have remained at the bottoms of lakes and rivers for over a century, untouched and perfectly preserved in the icy cold waters of the North. It wasn't until the 1990's when Timeless Timber discovered these lost 'sinkers' and devised methods for the recovery and state-of-the-art kiln drying of these irreplaceable woods. [/QUOTE]


Thanks Don


Lunchmoney
 
JoeyInCali said:
I think these old-growth shafts are way overrated.
Sure, they stay stable and are heavy and hard but I find them to have too much deflection b/c of the weight and stiffness.

Joey have you actually Hit with an old-growth shaft. Or are you just GESSINGhow an old-growth shaft would play?
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Joey have you actually Hit with an old-growth shaft. Or are you just GESSINGhow an old-growth shaft would play?

old growth shafts do have a stiffer hit in general, but shaft taper can change all that. with old growth, i prefer long pro tapers. you get good action, imo. i think you need a nice balance between how you taper a shaft and the kind of wood it is.
 
bruin70 said:
old growth shafts do have a stiffer hit in general, but shaft taper can change all that. with old growth, i prefer long pro tapers. you get good action, imo. i think you need a nice balance between how you taper a shaft and the kind of wood it is.

They sent me two shaft dowells to try out in the mid ninties. I didn't perticulary like them. They were a tannish color and when I turned them there was black bacteria spots in the grain. They did have 45-50 growth lines to the inch though.
Dick
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Joey have you actually Hit with an old-growth shaft. Or are you just GESSINGhow an old-growth shaft would play?
I've hit with two at least.
I had one with a long taper too.
One had a stiffer taper.
They just hit funny to me.
The cueball did things that just boggled me.
 
rhncue said:
They were a tannish color

The one I saw was a Tannish Color Also. Was not heavier than any other Shaft in my hand.

Can not say nothing about the Hit, as I did not Hit with that Shaft, but the Owner said he gave 200 BUCKS for it. Plus said it was worth the money. ;)
 
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