Yes, I seem to remember you flailing uselessly at the keyboard attempting to rationalize some kind of tripe back then, just as you're doing now. Nice attempt to avoid the real issue, by the way. Why am I not surprised that you sidestep the issue and go straight to ad hominem attacks? Of course, that's how you started to degenerate the thread anyway - just business as usual with you, I guess....drivermaker said:Yeah...I guess you're right. I kinda remember some guy railing on here at one time because he didn't understand very much about aiming systems. That wasn't the first time it happened either. I guess that's what makes these forums so much fun.
Fred Agnir said:Wordsmithing and nitpicking is what you're resorting to? Are you asking rhetorically, or do you want standard deviations.?
Admit you're nothing but an instigator who can't stand science discussion.
Fred
DoomCue said:Yes, I seem to remember you flailing uselessly at the keyboard attempting to rationalize some kind of tripe back then, just as you're doing now. Nice attempt to avoid the real issue, by the way. Why am I not surprised that you sidestep the issue and go straight to ad hominem attacks? Of course, that's how you started to degenerate the thread anyway - just business as usual with you, I guess....
-djb
drivermaker said:[...] Well, guess what...the same douche bags that blew it there are now here with all of their wisdom and insights. Fred "arrogant" Agnir, Bob Jewett, Ph.D, Ron Shepard, Ph.D. (in spirit, name, and thesis so far), and Mike Page, Ph.D. This is not to say that they're ALL here yet...there are more to come. (And you BETTER PRAY that it doesn't happen with the rest showing up)
I'm sure they all play stronger than I do.drivermaker said:In the mean time give me OHB, SJM, Willee, Rude Dog, VAP, LastTwo, Rodd, and all the guys who I missed that just make balls and know how to play or gamble.
DoomCue said:What's that swishing sound?
BTW, when did you become a moderator of AZ?
So I guess this means no, you're not going to admit you're wrong, and yes, you're going to continue to sit in your anonymous bunker and throw sucker punches.
-djb
drivermaker said:I think that swishing sound is from YOU. You do know that one of the definitions of the word "swish" in the dictionary is "of like or for effeminate male homosexuals". How easily and readily that word came rolling off your tongue.
So, I guess you're trying to moderate me??
I'm not throwing sucker punches at you...you went on the offense and I'm throwing counter-punches. (for now)
Let me reiterate...I didn't start posts to you...you started it with me. (God, that rage in you must be starting to boil like an egg in Death Valley in mid summer) You still haven't given a description as to what it feels like. It must be like a real high, huh?
drivermaker said:If you're going to look at those, don't forget to include these:
www.meuccicues.com
www.meuccicues.com/blackdot-chart.htm
...they state that CB speed or applied force has no change on the amount of deflection. How many real players are going to take THAT as gospel and go along with it?
Colin Colenso, a poster here (where has he been) came up with additional factors for deflection that don't necessarily include end mass garbage. One, that I recall, was very simply different factors that have to do with the tip, such as glazing... and you can DEFINITELY get CB squirt just from that. How do you measure it? How do you even know that all tips are prepped exactly the same way when testing to not affect CB movement? The answer is...you don't. Go back into the archives and see if you can find Colins threads, they'll provide additional insights.
Fred Agnir said:There needs to be a filter such that when someone like yourself asks a decent question that could use an answer, that only responses that attempt to answer your question are shown for you.
I think I've added to the answer. Maybe not. I tend to go with the theory that the effective endmass is directly related to the speed of the transverse wave and how much mass is involved during the contact time. The idea of contact time is a whole different discussion and IMO, shouldn't be used to further the discussion on effective endmass.
Does stiffness affect the speed of the transverse wave? Probably. If you drilled the first six inches of a shaft and filled it with a stiffer material that didn't add any weight, would the squirt be more or less? I don't know. The speed of the transverse wave is probably more to do with the natural frequency of the material, so if the filler material has a different natural frequency, then there would be a difference. But, that difference may not have anything to do with stiffness per sé, but with the material selection.
So, in further muck, if there was some magic way to keep the mass the same, but change stiffness, then you'd be able to test it.
Fred
merylane said:bobs tests?
one thing about his tests are thet they are measuring the throw on an object ball, and some how talks about deflection![]()
why doesnt he measure were the cueball is going? bogus?
DoomCue said:Me, rage?
-djb <--I'll keep egging you on for laughs all day long, it's too easy
mikepage said:Why do people use made up names here?
mike page
fargo
Is that all you got???DoomCue said:Keep digging drivelmaker....
Guess your ad hominem attacks really mean you're not going to admit you're wrong.
-djb
BiG_JoN said:Is that all you got???
(stir, stir, stir)
drivermaker said:So for all of you that are into the excitement and the characters behind the scenes, PM me and request a copy of some PM's that psycho Doomcue sent to me a while back and I'll be more than happy to forward them. You'll soon see that I ain't makin' this stuff up.
There are a select few on here that have been privy to it, so everybody else might as well be. Trust me...this guy is sick. Well you don't have to trust me, just PM.
DoomCue said:Made a promise I'm gonna keep, that's all. Stir all you want.
-djb